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by **cyprusgrump** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:01 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:but people who are over the limit are law breakers....

supporttheunderdog wrote: the law is an ass.

by **supporttheunderdog** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:43 pm

yers, an ass, occasionally obstinate, but not stupid,

by **cyprusgrump** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:26 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:yers, an ass, occasionally obstinate, but not stupid,

Really?

You want me to post some links to the law being completely stupid...?

There are thousands... I can't believe that you think the law is not demonstrably stupid....

by **FragnaticDeath** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:42 pm

Cyprusgrump all I see from your posts is you moaning about being able to drink and drive. Alcohol might not affect you the same way it affects other people.
Learn what is right or wrong. When one day your child gets run over by a drunk driver then don't complain just say at his coffin "Forgive him son he was only trying to have fun with his alcohol and his friends".

But I do agree with you even taking pills that might affect your driving is wrong, but at the end of the day it comes to the moral values of the driver to see what's right or wrong.

by **apc2010** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:04 am

FragnaticDeath wrote:Cyprusgrump all I see from your posts is you moaning about being able to drink and drive. Alcohol might not affect you the same way it affects other people.
Learn what is right or wrong. When one day your child gets run over by a drunk driver then don't complain just say at his coffin "Forgive him son he was only trying to have fun with his alcohol and his friends".

But I do agree with you even taking pills that might affect your driving is wrong, but at the end of the day it comes to the moral values of the driver to see what's right or wrong.

you are agreeing with grump,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the moral values of the driver"..............this will not be changed by laws ,,,,,,,,,

by **cyprusgrump** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:36 am

FragnaticDeath wrote:Cyprusgrump all I see from your posts is you moaning about being able to drink and drive. Alcohol might not affect you the same way it affects other people.
Learn what is right or wrong. When one day your child gets run over by a drunk driver then don't complain just say at his coffin "Forgive him son he was only trying to have fun with his alcohol and his friends".

But I do agree with you even taking pills that might affect your driving is wrong, but at the end of the day it comes to the moral values of the driver to see what's right or wrong.

Exactly! Like apc says, you are in fact agreeing with me!

It comes down to moral values and personal responsibility!

Your 'drunk' that runs the child over, he doesn't care... he has ignored endless campaigns against driving while under the influence... Only tough sentencing will work on him.

Question: How many children are run over by drunks each year? My guess is that it would be a tiny number... my guess is that there are probably more children killed falling off the swings in the park... yet we are constantly bombarded with messages telling us that it is almost a daily occurrence to the point where theodosia thinks it necessary to post on every forum she visits to stop people drinking and causing carnage...

I'm not really even moaning about being able to drink and drive - it is about the nanny state that constantly interferes in our lives... it is about people that become so used to being told what to do that they can't think for themselves any more...

... it is about people trotting out the message that is shouted from the media every day without even thinking if it is right or not...

by **supporttheunderdog** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:56 am

Yes there are many who even sober are a hazard to other road users, and no one should drive while impaired by drink, drugs, (illegal or legal), of which alcohol is one, by state of health or tiredness - there was the tragic case in the UK of Rail crash in the UK where a sleep deprived driver rolled of the road onto the railway, the subsequent events causing 10 deaths.
everyone should assess their condition to drive before they set off: unfortanately because alcohol is a mind altering drug which affects perception, someone who has had modest amounts of Alcohol is not capable of judging their own ability: they may think they are safe but are not: see for example (which is but one of many such studies)

ALCOHOL IMPAIRS SPEED OF INFORMATION PROCESSING AND SIMPLE AND CHOICE REACTION TIME AND DIFFERENTIALLY IMPAIRS HIGHER-ORDER COGNITIVE ABILITIES
http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/2/197.full

And its not about the nanny state telling people what to think, it is about the state providing protection for the public against poeple who are probably unsafe to drive but who do not know it, because of consumption of even small amounts of Alcohol (two or three drinks) . Grump you might think you are safe, but quite possibly you are not thinking right.

by **cyprusgrump** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:17 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Yes there are many who even sober are a hazard to other road users, and no one should drive while impaired by drink, drugs, (illegal or legal), of which alcohol is one, by state of health or tiredness - there was the tragic case in the UK of Rail crash in the UK where a sleep deprived driver rolled of the road onto the railway, the subsequent events causing 10 deaths.
everyone should assess their condition to drive before they set off: unfortanately because alcohol is a mind altering drug which affects perception, someone who has had modest amounts of Alcohol is not capable of judging their own ability: they may think they are safe but are not: see for example (which is but one of many such studies)

ALCOHOL IMPAIRS SPEED OF INFORMATION PROCESSING AND SIMPLE AND CHOICE REACTION TIME AND DIFFERENTIALLY IMPAIRS HIGHER-ORDER COGNITIVE ABILITIES
http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/2/197.full

And its not about the nanny state telling people what to think, it is about the state providing protection for the public against poeple who are probably unsafe to drive but who do not know it, because of consumption of even small amounts of Alcohol (two or three drinks) . Grump you might think you are safe, but quite possibly you are not thinking right.

I haven't read it all...

... but more and more these days we have researchers that are funded by special interest groups to get the result they want...

In this case, getting just sixteen people to tap keys on a laptop doesn't really prove that somebody having a drink on the way home from work is dangerous...

And it is exactly nanny state telling people what to think... As Svetlana pointed out, Cyprus has one of the lowest alcohol driving limits - you would think according to nanny state that is the 'safe' limit yet many other countries have higher limits without carnage on the roads every day because of people driving within the limit who are unfit to drive!

How can 22 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 milliitres of breath be safe in Cyprus while 35 microgrammes is safe in the UK...?

Arbitrary nanny-state imposed limits....

By the way, people that think I am moaning about not being able to have a drink... I've been breathalysed once in 35 years of driving and scored a big, round zero.... :wink:

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:57 pm

Alcohol effects everyone in the same way. The only ones who think they are immune from its effects are alcoholics.

But, detoxifying your body of alcohol varies from person to person (some faster than others; cf, Europeans and Asians). But this fact alone does not exempt anyone from drinking and then getting into a car as a driver! It takes a long time (hours at least) for the dehydrating effects on the brain to diminish and, until then, your reaction time will be slowed and your risk assessment severely off kilter not to mention your hand-eye coordination tempered.

by **cyprusgrump** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:14 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Alcohol effects everyone in the same way. The only ones who think they are immune from its effects are alcoholics.

But, detoxifying your body of alcohol varies from person to person (some faster than others; cf, Europeans and Asians). But this fact alone does not exempt anyone from drinking and then getting into a car as a driver! It takes a long time (hours at least) for the dehydrating effects on the brain to diminish and, until then, your reaction time will be slowed and your risk assessment severely off kilter not to mention your hand-eye coordination tempered.

And how does this basic science add to the debate...? :roll: