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[repulsewarrior]

All we want to do is live in peace and not be subjected to the domination or exposed to manipulation of the GCs.

it is what everyone wants, who is Cypriot.

you are subjected to Turkey as a "protector" with a cost, Greeks, if you will, stand silently amongst the "Greeks" who hold the Agenda, representing them as a Constituency against this threat, suiting the brash elitist on both sides of this divide who depend on the fear and acrimony they cause in maintaining this status quo. what of the other interlocutors? ...better the Problem at an impasse than war.

...you must recognise that a State called Cyprus exists, equality comes from a clear insistence that Greeks themselves have self-representation, an equality based on a Bicommunal Principal where we are Persons with a Right to express ourselves as a Community, and as Individuals, Human Beings united to defend not just our Liberties but our Freedom as well.

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All we want to do is live in peace and not be subjected to the domination or exposed to manipulation of the GCs.

Sure and you ensure this by coming to our island murdering us all and stealing our lands. And that's how you get what you want.

With neighbours like you, who the F needs enemies

All in the name of survival against GC domination and manipulation.

Dude, your in the wrong place. You jumped over the fence which is 60 miles worth of sea long and stole their property for the last 38 years.

Please clarify your statement.

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All we want to do is live in peace and not be subjected to the domination or exposed to manipulation of the GCs.

it is what everyone wants, who is Cypriot.

you are subjected to Turkey as a "protector" with a cost, Greeks, if you will, stand silently amongst the "Greeks" who hold the Agenda, representing them as a Constituency against this threat, suiting the brash elitist on both sides of this divide who depend on the fear and acrimony they cause in maintaining this status quo. what of the other interlocutors? ...better the Problem at an impasse than war.

...you must recognise that a State called Cyprus exists, equality comes from a clear insistence that Greeks themselves have self-representation, an equality based on a Bicommunal Principal where we are Persons with a Right to express ourselves as a Community, and as Individuals, Human Beings united to defend not just our Liberties but our Freedom as well.

Get one GC to agree with or shut up repulse.

[repulsewarrior]

...vp, anyone with a brain can recognise that a Unitary State, that is a Nation-State, is much easier to run and more economic. unfortunately for Cypriots, the overwhelming majority being Greeks, they do not have the luxury (if you will) of this choice because there is a 90 million strong population just off its coast which toward them ignores any sense of Human dignity, while they plunder anything which "they" deem not Turkish enough. i recognise the existence of ethnographies, i respect that this diversity is important too, to all Mankind, and i offer the opportunity to these thinking people an alternative to what is categorically right, at least, an alternative which allows for their Free Expresson as Persons, and as Individuals, in a world where there is mobility.

...Bicommunal, is "your" choice, for a "Greek", it is already a compromise`. i live in Canada, being a Bicommunal Country, i see the value in this thinking, i created my manifesto based on my conversation with you, relatively speaking, not that long ago, the first person i ever met on a Forum about Cyprus, and with Dhavlos, and Kifeas, to express their thoughts, with others, this proposal, regarding a map i saw in the newspaper back in `74; Cyprus: a Green Line still there, but the island spotted (apparently from Ecevit). it is the result of a lifetime, pretty well, following the Problem, it is an application of my studies as a Political-Economist, it is an objective approach to defining words like enclave, and Bizonal as well, as a Social-Scientist, it does not matter what your so called GCs think because the Republic itself has already commited itsef to a Cypriot State, rather than a Greek State and a Turkish State. it does on the other hand, matter what you consider a step forward, (given the importance of this issue for so many other Peoples who will consider the value of our choices, not as Turks and Greeks but as Citizens of the World). if you, you, were to choose new thinking, this is a big step, a great step beyond what endlessly is a debate about a mythic reality. from you, i feel others (and the so called TCs/GCs) may appreciate that their security may not be completely assured in any case, however as a People amongst other People, they are equals.

...and what is wrong with a Greek Constituency if there are other Constituencies, within a Cypriot State?

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...vp, anyone with a brain can recognise that a Unitary State, that is a Nation-State, is much easier to run and more economic. unfortunately for Cypriots, the overwhelming majority being Greeks, they do not have the luxury (if you will) of this choice because there is a 90 million strong population just off its coast which toward them ignores any sense of Human dignity, while they plunder anything which "they" deem not Turkish enough. i recognise the existence of ethnographies, i respect that this diversity is important too, to all Mankind, and i offer the opportunity to these thinking people an alternative to what is categorically right, at least, an alternative which allows for their Free Expresson as Persons, and as Individuals, in a world where there is mobility.

...Bicommunal, is "your" choice, for a "Greek", it is already a compromise`. i live in Canada, being a Bicommunal Country, i see the value in this thinking, i created my manifesto based on my conversation with you, relatively speaking, not that long ago, the first person i ever met on a Forum about Cyprus, and with Dhavlos, and Kifeas, to express their thoughts, with others, this proposal, regarding a map i saw in the newspaper back in `74; Cyprus: a Green Line still there, but the island spotted (apparently from Ecevit). it is the result of a lifetime, pretty well, following the Problem, it is an application of my studies as a Political-Economist, it is an objective approach to defining words like enclave, and Bizonal as well, as a Social-Scientist, it does not matter what your so called GCs think because the Republic itself has already commited itsef to a Cypriot State, rather than a Greek State and a Turkish State. it does on the other hand, matter what you consider a step forward, (given the importance of this issue for so many other Peoples who will consider the value of our choices, not as Turks and Greeks but as Citizens of the World). if you, you, were to choose new thinking, this is a big step, a great step beyond what endlessly is a debate about a mythic reality. from you, i feel others (and the so called TCs/GCs) may appreciate that their security may not be completely assured in any case, however as a People amongst other People, they are equals.

...and what is wrong with a Greek Constituency if there are other Constituencies, within a Cypriot State?

Once again I have to explain that its your side that rejects your ideology, the GCs will not accept becoming a constituency, we accepted this with the AP and do today...you are barking up the wrong tree...thats why I say you have to get GCs to support your manifesto not the TCs. Do you understand what I am saying?

[repulsewarrior]

...once again, you act as though a Greek Constituency exists, and your fight is to be an equal to it.

what is needed is a Greek Constituency, as well as a Republic for there to be equality among Persons.

...asking the right question will lead to a response that is a movement forward; as a Cypriot fight for the Freedom of Cyprus, where, your Liberties as a Person can be identified, because for others just as distinctive there is the same Right. if you want a Turkish Constituency, demand equality, call for the Cypriot Constituencies themselves, to join together, so that their resolve can be demonstrated in a unanimous Agreement toward creating Zones, and in the negociations which would follow with the Cypriot Republic no longer burdened by the bias of defending the Greek Constituency as well, Constitutional Reform is possible, for the defence (and betterment) of Individual Rights, as well as the replacement, if you will, of the Communal Chamber with National Assemblies, stengthened because each in their Territorial Jurisdictions act independently, for their electors, to provide the infrastructure they need as a Society, while as Citizens within a Cypriot State, these People represent their Sovereignty, and their Unity toward Universal Principals.

...and if the Annan Proposal is rejected, what of it, there were many Plans, each with qualities that were appealing, another will be found.

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...once again, you act as though a Greek Constituency exists, and your fight is to be an equal to it.

what is needed is a Greek Constituency, as well as a Republic for there to be equality among Persons.

...asking the right question will lead to a response that is a movement forward; as a Cypriot fight for the Freedom of Cyprus, where, your Liberties as a Person can be identified, because for others just as distinctive there is the same Right. if you want a Turkish Constituency, demand equality, call for the Cypriot Constituencies themselves, to join together, so that their resolve can be demonstrated in a unanimous Agreement toward creating Zones, and in the negociations which would follow with the Cypriot Republic no longer burdened by the bias of defending the Greek Constituency as well, Constitutional Reform is possible, for the defence (and betterment) of Individual Rights, as well as the replacement, if you will, of the Communal Chamber with National Assemblies, stengthened because each in their Territorial Jurisdictions act independently, for their electors, to provide the infrastructure they need as a Society, while as Citizens within a Cypriot State, these People represent their Sovereignty, and their Unity toward Universal Principals.

...and if the Annan Proposal is rejected, what of it, there were many Plans, each with qualities that were appealing, another will be found.

Pull yourself together man, your basic ideology was ingrained in the AP which we accepted and you rejected, so first of you have to get your side to accept the "constituency" strcture not us.....why are you being so arrogant and blind in your responses? I support your ideology as many other TCs, we are not the problem the GCs are why do you refuse to see this???

[repulsewarrior]

...whether it contains the basic ideology or not is really up to debate. obviously it was not clear, and the fact that it was brought to the refrendum, changed again and unread, this does not add to the Plan's credibility.

if you support my thinking, then you would put Cyprus first, its Freedom from all the interlocutors who have something to gain from ignoring Cypriots as people, as a People, and instead, relegating them to service the cause of an elite, "Greeks"/"Turks", which profit from the hatred they can promote.

whether you like it or not vp, Cypriots exist, as Persons they may be Greek or Turkish, but as Individuals their closeness is to the beauty, and the Heritance, of this island; they love above all.

...if you support my ideology, then say it clear, join me, in any one of my manifesto topics.

[repulsewarrior]

....and if you, or "you" are so much for Constituencies within the State, where is the Greek Constituency, why does this demend remain unasked?

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....and if you, or "you" are so much for Constituencies within the State, where is the Greek Constituency, why does this demend remain unasked?

It was asked and rejected by the GCs accepted by the TCs, do you live on this planet?