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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby potassium » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:09 pm

Piratis wrote:
potassium wrote:Speaking as a student, this has been bothering me a lot these past years since I decided to become an atheist.

To begin with, Cyprus claims to be a "multi-cultural" country but the religion class is mandatory. Usually in other European countries, like Sweden, you can choose which religion to study or if you don't believe in any you can pick the philosophy class (not sure).

This situation reminds me of a 3rd world dictatorship religious country which tries to shove down religion into kids throats so they can believe what the system wants them to believe. As far as I know, Cyprus is a 1st world country and a so called "democracy". This is not acceptable, if we want the other EU countries to consider us as an EU country we should act like one.

Schools were supposed to teach kids how to think, not what to think.

Does anyone know if there are any future plans about this issue?


Cyprus is a 1st World Country, but it hasn't been for long. Cyprus was a poor colony until just 52 years ago, and until then the Church provided the leadership and the education, especially during the Ottoman rule. So you really can't expect Cyprus to be like Sweden.

Cyprus is definitely nothing like a "3rd world dictatorship religious country". There are several other EU countries which are at least as bad as Cyprus when it comes to religion, like Poland and Malta, and while other countries might be a bit more progressive in this respect they are less so in other things, like for example still having Kings, Queens and Lords, which is equally ridiculous for the 21st century.

If you can, do what I did and go against the system. I challenged their nonsense during the religion class, and I refused to do any religious related activities. They gave me low grades in the religion courses but they didn't dare to give me below the base as I made it clear to them that I would create problems to them and to the system if they dared to do so. It should be much easier for you to do the same today that Cyprus is in EU.


The Swedish educational system on how they work on religious classes doesn't really cost, it's just the way they work within the schools, it doesn't need any money effort to apply that simple system to our educational system.

Punishing you for denying to follow their religious activities is against EU human rights.
Well, logically it should be easier, but we haven't yet realized and we don't yet act as an EU country.

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1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, and to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
2. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby CBBB » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:27 pm

potassium wrote:
Piratis wrote:
potassium wrote:Speaking as a student, this has been bothering me a lot these past years since I decided to become an atheist.

To begin with, Cyprus claims to be a "multi-cultural" country but the religion class is mandatory. Usually in other European countries, like Sweden, you can choose which religion to study or if you don't believe in any you can pick the philosophy class (not sure).

This situation reminds me of a 3rd world dictatorship religious country which tries to shove down religion into kids throats so they can believe what the system wants them to believe. As far as I know, Cyprus is a 1st world country and a so called "democracy". This is not acceptable, if we want the other EU countries to consider us as an EU country we should act like one.

Schools were supposed to teach kids how to think, not what to think.

Does anyone know if there are any future plans about this issue?


Cyprus is a 1st World Country, but it hasn't been for long. Cyprus was a poor colony until just 52 years ago, and until then the Church provided the leadership and the education, especially during the Ottoman rule. So you really can't expect Cyprus to be like Sweden.

Cyprus is definitely nothing like a "3rd world dictatorship religious country". There are several other EU countries which are at least as bad as Cyprus when it comes to religion, like Poland and Malta, and while other countries might be a bit more progressive in this respect they are less so in other things, like for example still having Kings, Queens and Lords, which is equally ridiculous for the 21st century.

If you can, do what I did and go against the system. I challenged their nonsense during the religion class, and I refused to do any religious related activities. They gave me low grades in the religion courses but they didn't dare to give me below the base as I made it clear to them that I would create problems to them and to the system if they dared to do so. It should be much easier for you to do the same today that Cyprus is in EU.


The Swedish educational system on how they work on religious classes doesn't really cost, it's just the way they work within the schools, it doesn't need any money effort to apply that simple system to our educational system.

Punishing you for denying to follow their religious activities is against EU human rights.
Well, logically it should be easier, but we haven't yet realized and we don't yet act as an EU country.

Article 9
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, and to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
2. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.


When Piratis went to school there was no EU, they hadn't gotten rid of Hitler yet.
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby potassium » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:28 pm

CBBB wrote:
potassium wrote:
Piratis wrote:
potassium wrote:Speaking as a student, this has been bothering me a lot these past years since I decided to become an atheist.

To begin with, Cyprus claims to be a "multi-cultural" country but the religion class is mandatory. Usually in other European countries, like Sweden, you can choose which religion to study or if you don't believe in any you can pick the philosophy class (not sure).

This situation reminds me of a 3rd world dictatorship religious country which tries to shove down religion into kids throats so they can believe what the system wants them to believe. As far as I know, Cyprus is a 1st world country and a so called "democracy". This is not acceptable, if we want the other EU countries to consider us as an EU country we should act like one.

Schools were supposed to teach kids how to think, not what to think.

Does anyone know if there are any future plans about this issue?


Cyprus is a 1st World Country, but it hasn't been for long. Cyprus was a poor colony until just 52 years ago, and until then the Church provided the leadership and the education, especially during the Ottoman rule. So you really can't expect Cyprus to be like Sweden.

Cyprus is definitely nothing like a "3rd world dictatorship religious country". There are several other EU countries which are at least as bad as Cyprus when it comes to religion, like Poland and Malta, and while other countries might be a bit more progressive in this respect they are less so in other things, like for example still having Kings, Queens and Lords, which is equally ridiculous for the 21st century.

If you can, do what I did and go against the system. I challenged their nonsense during the religion class, and I refused to do any religious related activities. They gave me low grades in the religion courses but they didn't dare to give me below the base as I made it clear to them that I would create problems to them and to the system if they dared to do so. It should be much easier for you to do the same today that Cyprus is in EU.


The Swedish educational system on how they work on religious classes doesn't really cost, it's just the way they work within the schools, it doesn't need any money effort to apply that simple system to our educational system.

Punishing you for denying to follow their religious activities is against EU human rights.
Well, logically it should be easier, but we haven't yet realized and we don't yet act as an EU country.

Article 9
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, and to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
2. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.


When Piratis went to school there was no EU, they hadn't gotten rid of Hitler yet.


oh lol.
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby kurupetos » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:15 pm

I hate Chemistry. :wink:
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:21 pm

kurupetos wrote:I hate Chemistry. :wink:

Yet you never stop farting on this forum! :?
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby kurupetos » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:23 pm

Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:I hate Chemistry. :wink:

Yet you never stop farting on this forum! :?

Only when you are around. :mrgreen:
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:24 pm

CBBB wrote:When Piratis went to school there was no EU, they hadn't gotten rid of Hitler yet.

And God didn't exist... there was void! :lol:
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:49 pm

Piratis wrote:
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potassium wrote: .... since I decided to become an atheist.


I don't think you can "decide" to become an atheist unless you somehow think it's a fashion accessory.

Otherwise, as far as teaching of religion goes - my own son goes to a very expensive British school which is independent and not Church associated in any way but he still has to study "Religious Education" even if he doesn't want to sit the exam at the end.

He is an atheist; but unlike you he finds the philosophical debates in our religious history very stimulating and has a big enough brain that he can contain his own preferences and a bigger picture quite happily.

May I suggest you open up ... :D

(I wouldn't use Swedes as an example in cognitive studies. I have found them to be profoundly deficient. :wink: )


Somebody who "decides" to become atheist is somebody who used his own brain to come to logical conclusions and this shows that he has "big enough brain". Those who are atheists because this is the way they were brought up are not necessarily more intelligent than average.


We're probably simply talking semantics here but I don't think it's a conscience decision to "become an atheist". It evolves from a passive accumulation of facts and unanswered questions. If you are taught from very young that there's a God, then it takes a long time to shake off that comfort blanket. You don't wake up one morning and suddenly "decide" to become an atheist. There's also a certain degree of genetic predisposition to being a skeptic. The seeds might already be there (so no forceful decision needed). These things act to make one an atheist (or at least agnostic).
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 pm

Potassium, you'll probably find it easier to study religion much as you would study a history lesson or a Literature lesson. Take it as a narrative of civilisation. Reacting against being taught any such subjects is punishable with detentions etc in any country. In theory, banning the study of religion is as bad as those Baptists who ban the teaching of evolution in schools. It's all the same dogmatism.
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Re: Cypriot Educational System: Mandatory Religion Class?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:54 am

Get Real! wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:No matter how hard we try, can any of us really picture GR as an Angel...? :D

Funnily enough... I can! :lol:


...godzilla with wings.
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