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[Piratis]

so the way i see it, it is our fault. bc we assume that we are not anymore the "uneducated cypriots" but educated , and still we prefer to blame rather than solving.

Personally I never blamed the Turkish Cypriots as the reason for the Cyprus problem. The reason is obviously the economic/strategic interests of the AngloAmericans and Turkey. What the fault of TCs is, is that they want to take advantage of the situation and gain something on our loss.

in the time of satelites and floating armies how startegic do we continue to be?

You can't deploy armies from satellites. The British call Cyprus their "huge unsinkable aircraft carrier". So yes, military bases abroad and especially in strategic locations, continue to be extremely important.

do we really believe that the english want to preserve the conflict in order to keep their bases?

Not just their bases but also a leverage over Greece and Turkey. E.g. They can say to Turkey that as long as she continues to be friendly to them they will not do anything about the illegality in Cyprus. They can also say to Greece that if she continues to be friendly to them they will not allow the legalization of the occupation.

who gains economically from our division?

The gains are indirect. More power means more money. The control of Cyprus means more power for those that can control it.

so why do we continue arguing in this forum? we dont we just accept our destiny ?

There is no destiny. The powerful change. How their interests are best served changes also. What I am arguing in this forum is that we should not sign away our rights and our land because the balance of power will change and it will be easier for us to regain what is legally ours rather than regain something that we gave away with our signature (and therefore will not be legally ours anymore)

[insan]

You talk about the interests of anglo-americans etc... who formed the EU and NATO? Which are the member states of these alliances? For whose interests do they work?

EU was formed by Americans as the first step of globalization. GC administration and majority of GCs themselves wished to become a part of this American establishment. Furthermore, GC right wing wants to become a part of NATO that is another US organization.

Do Turkish and Hellene capitalists have some common interests with the capitalists of other countries in this alliance? Definetely!

The wealthy capitalist Turks and Hellenes of America call Bush to resolve Cyprus problem in favour of themselves. They have many good friends in congress and Senate... they even have many American friends in US business world who have the political capability to influence some of the senators and congressmen in favour of anything they wish.

American Hellenes, Armenians and Kurds give hand in hand to influence the decisions of congressmen and senators of USA in order to corner Turkey and get what they want. However, when Turks and American friends of Turks nullify all of the Hellenic efforts, some Hellenes like piratis start crying and call Americans and Brits as "dirty anglo-saxons". He thinks that this a "divide and rule" game. Why? Because the result is not satisfactory for himself.

Which anglo-americans u hate, piratis? I'm sure only the friends of Turkey not the friends of Hellenes who once gave support to EOKA-B and promised the then GC right wing(Enosists) that America would stop Turkey during the Hellenic invasion of Cyprus in 74. However what a surprise! Turks nullified the Hellenic efforts once again.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

You talk about the interests of anglo-americans etc... who formed the EU and NATO? Which are the member states of these alliances? For whose interests do they work?

EU was formed by Americans as the first step of globalization. GC administration and majority of GCs themselves wished to become a part of this American establishment. Furthermore, GC right wing wants to become a part of NATO that is another US organization.

Please get your facts straightened out because You couldnt be more wrong on both those assumptions.

The EU was created by the Americans? First step of Globalisation? American establishment?

Have you any idea what year did the British join the EC? Or who created the EC-EU??

[insan]

You talk about the interests of anglo-americans etc... who formed the EU and NATO? Which are the member states of these alliances? For whose interests do they work?

EU was formed by Americans as the first step of globalization. GC administration and majority of GCs themselves wished to become a part of this American establishment. Furthermore, GC right wing wants to become a part of NATO that is another US organization.

Please get your facts straightened out because You couldnt be more wrong on both those assumptions.

The EU was created by the Americans? First step of Globalisation? American establishment?

Have you any idea what year did the British join the EC? Or who created the EC-EU??

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The basic concept of the new world order is world government. For Rhodes and Carnegie, it was British rule expanded to cover the earth, or at least British influence through the English-speaking world to organize the world according to the English way of life and thinking. Wells and others set out to bring the world under socialism, step by step, in a gradual process. Proposals were made successively for world federation, a League of Nations, and the United Nations. These forces have joined and are still pushing for world government, first by one means, and then by another after the first method meets opposition. They never stop. They never admit defeat. There is only delay, and then new ideas of how to bring the entire world into a planned administrative system.

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A new world order for permanent peace and freedom will be established at the end of the War.

The U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established world order.

The U.S.A., Britain, and the U.S.S.R. will undertake to guarantee peace to the nations, which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized.

The U.S.A. will become invincible as a military, naval, and air power.

The U.S.S.R. will acquire the republics of Eastern Europe after the War.

There will be a demilitarized, federated United States of Europe.


U need to more read... maybe about everything... that u think u are the most knowledgable...


http://www.pushhamburger.com/nov_pearl.htm

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

You talk about the interests of anglo-americans etc... who formed the EU and NATO? Which are the member states of these alliances? For whose interests do they work?

EU was formed by Americans as the first step of globalization. GC administration and majority of GCs themselves wished to become a part of this American establishment. Furthermore, GC right wing wants to become a part of NATO that is another US organization.

Please get your facts straightened out because You couldnt be more wrong on both those assumptions.

The EU was created by the Americans? First step of Globalisation? American establishment?

Have you any idea what year did the British join the EC? Or who created the EC-EU??

Code: Select all

The basic concept of the new world order is world government. For Rhodes and Carnegie, it was British rule expanded to cover the earth, or at least British influence through the English-speaking world to organize the world according to the English way of life and thinking. Wells and others set out to bring the world under socialism, step by step, in a gradual process. Proposals were made successively for world federation, a League of Nations, and the United Nations. These forces have joined and are still pushing for world government, first by one means, and then by another after the first method meets opposition. They never stop. They never admit defeat. There is only delay, and then new ideas of how to bring the entire world into a planned administrative system.

Code: Select all

A new world order for permanent peace and freedom will be established at the end of the War.

The U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established world order.

The U.S.A., Britain, and the U.S.S.R. will undertake to guarantee peace to the nations, which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized.

The U.S.A. will become invincible as a military, naval, and air power.

The U.S.S.R. will acquire the republics of Eastern Europe after the War.

There will be a demilitarized, federated United States of Europe.


U need to more read... maybe about everything... that u think u are the most knowledgable...


http://www.pushhamburger.com/nov_pearl.htm

Notice: EU= European Union-UN=united nations

What does the charter of the UN have to do with my observations on your hypothesis in terms of the alleged US rule within the Union??

If you need some money for books, I am sure there are a lot of Greek properties to exploit!