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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:29 am

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Maximus wrote:but whatever happens, the gas will still get to market without Turkey needing to be in the equation.



You are right but highly priced gas will not find any buyers when countries can easily buy cheaper from countries who can transportt their resources far more cheaply.


The question is how many more years may it take to recoup the initial investment to pipe the gas through Greece, instead of paying Turkey a toll as a middle man, always. Will it take 5 more years, 10 more years ? The pipeline going through Greece, cutting Turkey out all together may well be the cheaper option over the long term.

We are talking about gas reserves to potentially supply Europes needs for multiple generations and selling water to yourself is just not profitable.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:36 am

Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:but whatever happens, the gas will still get to market without Turkey needing to be in the equation.



You are right but highly priced gas will not find any buyers when countries can easily buy cheaper from countries who can transportt their resources far more cheaply.


The question is how many more years may it take to recoup the initial investment to pipe the gas through Greece, instead of paying Turkey a toll as a middle man, always. Will it take 5 more years, 10 more years ? The pipeline going through Greece, cutting Turkey out all together may well be the cheaper option over the long term.

We are talking about gas reserves to potentially supply Europes needs for multiple generations.


Cost to one side which in itself will be astronomical and if taken on will take maybe 15 years or more to recoup but a pipline to Greece will face not only technical problems due to the distance involved but also political problems due to it being internnational waters and and area frequented by many ships, the dangers involved will far outweight the possiblity of such a project getting a green light.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:59 am

VP, it does not have to concern the Turkish side one iota how much it costs or what the Greek Cypriots choose to do to get the gas to market if Turkey chooses to not cooperate and shut her options down.

The Greek Cypriots are not calling out for a share in Turkish water and they have got by fine without it and will continue to do so. Selling water to yourself is just not profitable but everything can potentially provide all sides with double sided benefits if a solution along the lines of what we have been discussing in this thread comes to fruition.

Give the Greek Cypriot peasants what they want, as you have called them, and the Turkish peasants can potentially get what they want also. You would blame the Greek Cypriots for finding the solution to your own problems.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:58 am

Maximus wrote:VP, it does not have to concern the Turkish side one iota how much it costs or what the Greek Cypriots choose to do to get the gas to market if Turkey chooses to not cooperate and shut her options down.

The Greek Cypriots are not calling out for a share in Turkish water and they have got by fine without it and will continue to do so. Selling water to yourself is just not profitable but everything can potentially provide all sides with double sided benefits if a solution along the lines of what we have been discussing in this thread comes to fruition.

Give the Greek Cypriot peasants what they want, as you have called them, and the Turkish peasants can potentially get what they want also. You would blame the Greek Cypriots for finding the solution to your own problems.


Its not about concerns or a demand but just debate as one side cannot force the other to do as they wish any longer as was the case pre 1974, your best option is Turkey but if you choose to "close your options" thats of course in your hands not Turkeys.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:28 pm

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Maximus wrote:VP, it does not have to concern the Turkish side one iota how much it costs or what the Greek Cypriots choose to do to get the gas to market if Turkey chooses to not cooperate and shut her options down.

The Greek Cypriots are not calling out for a share in Turkish water and they have got by fine without it and will continue to do so. Selling water to yourself is just not profitable but everything can potentially provide all sides with double sided benefits if a solution along the lines of what we have been discussing in this thread comes to fruition.

Give the Greek Cypriot peasants what they want, as you have called them, and the Turkish peasants can potentially get what they want also. You would blame the Greek Cypriots for finding the solution to your own problems.


Its not about concerns or a demand but just debate as one side cannot force the other to do as they wish any longer as was the case pre 1974, your best option is Turkey but if you choose to "close your options" thats of course in your hands not Turkeys.



it is about concerns and demands, otherwise the Cyprus problem would not exist.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:46 pm

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Maximus wrote:VP, it does not have to concern the Turkish side one iota how much it costs or what the Greek Cypriots choose to do to get the gas to market if Turkey chooses to not cooperate and shut her options down.

The Greek Cypriots are not calling out for a share in Turkish water and they have got by fine without it and will continue to do so. Selling water to yourself is just not profitable but everything can potentially provide all sides with double sided benefits if a solution along the lines of what we have been discussing in this thread comes to fruition.

Give the Greek Cypriot peasants what they want, as you have called them, and the Turkish peasants can potentially get what they want also. You would blame the Greek Cypriots for finding the solution to your own problems.


Its not about concerns or a demand but just debate as one side cannot force the other to do as they wish any longer as was the case pre 1974, your best option is Turkey but if you choose to "close your options" thats of course in your hands not Turkeys.



it is about concerns and demands, otherwise the Cyprus problem would not exist.


The gas and water issues are totally diiferent issue to solvin the Cyprus issue as these developments have occured after 40 years of separation, would the majority of TCs accept just any solution and unite for the sake of your gas find? the answer would be absolutely NO as there are far more important issues to finding a solution we could all say yes to, it maybe an incentive at best but it is not a solution in itself.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:54 pm

we are all shadows and dust viewpoint, shadows and dust.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:57 pm

Maximus wrote:we are all shadows and dust viewpoint, shadows and dust.



who need to eat breath and drink water.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Maximus » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:01 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:we are all shadows and dust viewpoint, shadows and dust.



who need to eat breath and drink water.


then eat, breath and drink.
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Re: how can the tcs deserve of any gas revenue?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:02 pm

Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:we are all shadows and dust viewpoint, shadows and dust.



who need to eat breath and drink water.


then eat, breath and drink.


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