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[Viewpoint]

Turkey will move when she is good and ready not before and especially not to the tune of a few spoilt GCs peasants, please explain to us Maxi the hugh cost to Turkey for not cooperating and what is this cooperation you expect?

[Demonax]

.oh and remember that Turkey has a bigger fish to fry in all this... if it loses out on muscling in on the CY EEZ... it sets a precedent where the so far gutless other motherland might be emboldened to declare an UNCLOS EEZ in the Aegean.

Bill, you are right to be wary of Turkish provocations. But the other side is that the estimates of reserves in the south east Med can satisfy EU gas requirements for decades. Because Cyprus and Greece are EU members and Israel is seen as an ally of Europe, this is an opportunity the EU cannot afford to miss out on. Especially given all the economic benefits that will come to the EU from a steady supply of competitively priced energy and the political benefits from cooperation among the participant countries.

To counteract Turkish threats we should move fast to involve and upgrade the role of the EU in the hydrocarbon efforts of Greece, Cyprus and Israel. I think there are positive signs this is likely to happen.

Turkey will eventually realise that it cannot bully and push around its neighbours and will need to act accordingly.

[Viewpoint]

.oh and remember that Turkey has a bigger fish to fry in all this... if it loses out on muscling in on the CY EEZ... it sets a precedent where the so far gutless other motherland might be emboldened to declare an UNCLOS EEZ in the Aegean.

Bill, you are right to be wary of Turkish provocations. But the other side is that the estimates of reserves in the south east Med can satisfy EU gas requirements for decades. Because Cyprus and Greece are EU members and Israel is seen as an ally of Europe, this is an opportunity the EU cannot afford to miss out on. Especially given all the economic benefits that will come to the EU from a steady supply of competitively priced energy and the political benefits from cooperation among the participant countries.

To counteract Turkish threats we should move fast to involve and upgrade the role of the EU in the hydrocarbon efforts of Greece, Cyprus and Israel. I think there are positive signs this is likely to happen.

Turkey will eventually realise that it cannot bully and push around its neighbours and will need to act accordingly.

It will be the most expensive gas in the world if you try to go around Turkey, good luck.

[Maximus]

Turkey will move when she is good and ready not before and especially not to the tune of a few spoilt GCs peasants, please explain to us Maxi the hugh cost to Turkey for not cooperating and what is this cooperation you expect?

If Erdogan wants to make history, he has to move today VP. I have explained it in my first post on this thread and others have also elaborated. You may have replied in haste so please go back and reread again from that point onwards.

[Demonax]

Moving ahead and bypassing Turkey...

Israel, Greece, Cyprus mull energy corridor

Israel, Greece and Cyprus are to set up working groups to examine the possibility of a power cable and an energy corridor connecting the countries. This was agreed at a meeting held today in Cyprus between Minister of Energy and Water Resources Uzi Landau, the Cypriot minister of industry and commerce and the Greek deputy energy minister.
The energy corridor is intended to enable future exports of gas from Israeli and Cypriot reserves to Greece via a pipeline, liquefaction installation, or other technology.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000797089

[Viewpoint]

Maximus wrote:
Turkey is still looking for her war victory some 40 years later but a gas pipeline going from Cyprus to Turkey could potentially be the bridge that Turkey can use to withdraw from the island and save her face on.

The problem today is Turkey's occupation of the Northern third of Cyprus and her general abuse. For the TC's, there is no difference whether they live within Turkeys internationally recognized borders or in northern Cyprus, it is one in the same. It sounds like they are one in the same and this is what they would have preferred for the past 40 odd years, to live in and with the protection of Turks in Turkey. 50 miles of ocean to separate the two is the best solution to Cyprus's problem. Turkey can give the TC's their 'republic' in south Mersin and they can control the gas tap at the other end of the pipeline, inside Turkey's internationally recognized borders. Then whatever gas the Republic of Cyprus sells, Turkey can give the Turkish Cypriots their cut when she comes to resell it. If Cyprus wants water from Turkey, she will pay for whatever will be consumed.

Such a move could potentially mean that Turkey takes all Cypriot and Israeli gas as a partner carrier to EU markets and can stop trawling illegally for her so called share in Cyprus EEZ. This way, everyone's happy many other obstacles have been overcome (including some of those blocked chapters in Turkeys EU accession) and the cost of reunification can be significantly reduced in the process. For Turkey, she has gained an additional means to compensate Cyprus and create further economic growth for herself and the greater region.

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As its one and the same then believe me we would rather stay put, why up sticks and go elsewhere when theres absolutely no difference, the war for Turkey was over in 1974 they dont seem to bothered by the south any longer and have lost all hope of joining the EU which which blows the GC leverage out of the water plus I personally believe Turkey is not and will never be a EU nation thats not a bad thing they dont have to be EU to implement change and develop which if you havent ever been to Turkey they are doing as post, again the question begs be asked why do they want to join a very problematic region eg Greece Spain Ireland South Cyprus etc etc. So forget the Turkey joining the EU thing its appears the Turks have and only pay lip service to giving the impression nothing more or she would have made all the changes demanded a long time ago.

As for all the gas talk how are they actually gonna get this gas to the EU if they dont go via Turkey? cost will sky rocket if they go by sea or take alternative routes, so another viewpoint is that the GCs will have to compromise along the lines of an AP with a few changes to get the TCs on board giving automatic access through the only via route through Turkey into Europe.

Is this the first post you wish me to refer to, if it is then I did respond if you bother to read it you would have understood my viewpoint.

[Viewpoint]

Moving ahead and bypassing Turkey...

Israel, Greece, Cyprus mull energy corridor

Israel, Greece and Cyprus are to set up working groups to examine the possibility of a power cable and an energy corridor connecting the countries. This was agreed at a meeting held today in Cyprus between Minister of Energy and Water Resources Uzi Landau, the Cypriot minister of industry and commerce and the Greek deputy energy minister.
The energy corridor is intended to enable future exports of gas from Israeli and Cypriot reserves to Greece via a pipeline, liquefaction installation, or other technology.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000797089

Of course they have to look for alternatives this is expected but none with be a practical and economical as going through Turkey into the EU.

[Maximus]

I understood your viewpoint.

close your options for peace, stability and security, close your options for EU membership (whether turkey chooses to join or not), close your options for recognition, close your options for direct trade, close your options of selling water to Cyprus, close your options for being the primary(only) carrier for all eastern med gas.

[repulsewarrior]

whereas "your" venture for water is "Turkish", vp, it will benefit "Turks" (and Turks), first. "Greeks" in this case, are second to Cypriots; it is possible that Infrastructure has no distinction as such, because the Acts are based on Universal Principals (without distinction or discrimination).

...indeed, if Erdogan is a man who understands the great power of Love, he may gift as you say, this Pipeline, water as a tribute, the recognition of this State, in Fellowship as equals with the right agreement more effort, for many more. (if you think 200 years, we are talking pop. 12.5 million; little Cyprus).

...and how long has Erdogan got, if Turkey is a Modern Political Democracy?

furthermore, the best pipelines end up being circles, like a spider's web if you will, straight lines between them. and on a grander scheme these efforts are pan-continental, this another link to include other continents into a single system of distribution. of course any enterprise in this field is costly, more costly if the parties are not communicating toward a single end. in a way, without these pipelines, between Cyprus and Turkey, the link with Europe founded by Ataturk remains much easier to cut. the venture is at its advent, the Gaz, etc., even the possibilities are a challenge to surmise, too many countries to list, who must cooperate.

[Maximus]

the water venture is stale in its current state. Whereas, selling the water as a true export to the republic of Cyprus is a lot more profitable.

so far, the Turks are going to sell it to "themselves" and the Greek Cypriots have got by just fine without buying Turkish water but it may likely be a cheaper option for the Greek Cypriots for a double sided benefit.

there is so much potential and it is also such a shame.