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[Demonax]

The ROC has promised that the gas revenues will benefit all Cypriots. For TCs this means after a solution is found they will also benefit from the hydrocarbon fund that will be established. Without a solution the TCs will lose out. Think of it as an incentive.

I dont think of it that way, as we are a separate country we should not benefit directly as we will not give you any benefit from our water supply same principle but if the south decides to give buckets full of money to all its citizens (just an extreme example) then TCs also being citizens should also benefit.

You misunderstand. There is no intention for TCs to get some kind of additional cash or revenue to spend as they would like. Gas revenues will go first towards paying off the costs of infrastructure like pipes and terminals. The rest will go into a hydrocarbon fund, along the line of Norway's sovereign wealth fund, that will invest the money in stocks and bonds to save for future generations, when the hydrocarbons run out.

Around 4 per cent of the funds will go annually to the ROC state budget (based on the rate of interest). The TC 'share' of the gas revenue will go to them indirectly through continued health care and welfare benefits in the ROC. The TCs will therefore now contribute for their welfare services in the ROC through their share of the island's resources. This is only fair, don't you think?

[B25]

We should NEVER pace our future in the hands of the Turk at any cost.

The Turk is. Lying, two faced double crossing good for nothing barbarian and you want them contolling us. You must be F joking me re. FFS.

[Maximus]

Turks in general end up with nothing if they don't sell the gas but the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus or the Turkish Cypriots in south Mersin (independently) can shut off Turkeys supply.

The good thing for the Republic of Cyprus is that she is independent and she can make contingency plans. If its feasible, the Republic of Cyprus can build a secondary pipeline through to Greece so the EU will bypass Turkish politik.

[B25]

All the same, we should plan AWAY from the turk. Once the fl has started they would have us by the short and curlies. Lets not give them that chance. Wevwant NOTHING. To do with th Turk.
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[Maximus]

Another way to look at it would be that the occupation will end and the Republic of Cyprus would become a unified Greek Cypriot state which also gains some more political advantages over Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot state in south Mersin.

[Viewpoint]

Turkey is still looking for her war victory some 40 years later but a gas pipeline going from Cyprus to Turkey could potentially be the bridge that Turkey can use to withdraw from the island and save her face on.

The problem today is Turkey's occupation of the Northern third of Cyprus and her general abuse. For the TC's, there is no difference whether they live within Turkeys internationally recognized borders or in northern Cyprus, it is one in the same. It sounds like they are one in the same and this is what they would have preferred for the past 40 odd years, to live in and with the protection of Turks in Turkey. 50 miles of ocean to separate the two is the best solution to Cyprus's problem. Turkey can give the TC's their 'republic' in south Mersin and they can control the gas tap at the other end of the pipeline, inside Turkey's internationally recognized borders. Then whatever gas the Republic of Cyprus sells, Turkey can give the Turkish Cypriots their cut when she comes to resell it. If Cyprus wants water from Turkey, she will pay for whatever will be consumed.

Such a move could potentially mean that Turkey takes all Cypriot and Israeli gas as a partner carrier to EU markets and can stop trawling illegally for her so called share in Cyprus EEZ. This way, everyone's happy many other obstacles have been overcome (including some of those blocked chapters in Turkeys EU accession) and the cost of reunification can be significantly reduced in the process. For Turkey, she has gained an additional means to compensate Cyprus and create further economic growth for herself and the greater region.

As its one and the same then believe me we would rather stay put, why up sticks and go elsewhere when theres absolutely no difference, the war for Turkey was over in 1974 they dont seem to bothered by the south any longer and have lost all hope of joining the EU which which blows the GC leverage out of the water plus I personally believe Turkey is not and will never be a EU nation thats not a bad thing they dont have to be EU to implement change and develop which if you havent ever been to Turkey they are doing as post, again the question begs be asked why do they want to join a very problematic region eg Greece Spain Ireland South Cyprus etc etc. So forget the Turkey joining the EU thing its appears the Turks have and only pay lip service to giving the impression nothing more or she would have made all the changes demanded a long time ago.

As for all the gas talk how are they actually gonna get this gas to the EU if they dont go via Turkey? cost will sky rocket if they go by sea or take alternative routes, so another viewpoint is that the GCs will have to compromise along the lines of an AP with a few changes to get the TCs on board giving automatic access through the only via route through Turkey into Europe.

[Viewpoint]

The ROC has promised that the gas revenues will benefit all Cypriots. For TCs this means after a solution is found they will also benefit from the hydrocarbon fund that will be established. Without a solution the TCs will lose out. Think of it as an incentive.

I dont think of it that way, as we are a separate country we should not benefit directly as we will not give you any benefit from our water supply same principle but if the south decides to give buckets full of money to all its citizens (just an extreme example) then TCs also being citizens should also benefit.

You misunderstand. There is no intention for TCs to get some kind of additional cash or revenue to spend as they would like. Gas revenues will go first towards paying off the costs of infrastructure like pipes and terminals. The rest will go into a hydrocarbon fund, along the line of Norway's sovereign wealth fund, that will invest the money in stocks and bonds to save for future generations, when the hydrocarbons run out.

Around 4 per cent of the funds will go annually to the ROC state budget (based on the rate of interest). The TC 'share' of the gas revenue will go to them indirectly through continued health care and welfare benefits in the ROC. The TCs will therefore now contribute for their welfare services in the ROC through their share of the island's resources. This is only fair, don't you think?

I understand clearly and agree that TCs as citizens of the "RoC" due to the right to citizenship allowed them via the 1960 Constitution should benefit the same as a GC with same citizenship. If that benefit is giving out "pots of gold" then all its citizens should get the same.

[Demonax]

I understand clearly and agree that TCs as citizens of the "RoC" due to the right to citizenship allowed them via the 1960 Constitution should benefit the same as a GC with same citizenship. If that benefit is giving out "pots of gold" then all its citizens should get the same.

Like I said, TCs will benefit as the ROC will use some of the money from the hydrocarbons fund for the budget of the ROC including welfare and medical provision. This means TCs who are citizens of the ROC can continue to receive health and welfare benefits - paid out of their share of the gas fund. It's only right that TCs make a contribution to the ROC as they receive benefits from their ROC citizenship.

I'm sure the ROC will find other imaginative ways to invest in the ROC for the benefit of all its citizens.

[Viewpoint]

I understand clearly and agree that TCs as citizens of the "RoC" due to the right to citizenship allowed them via the 1960 Constitution should benefit the same as a GC with same citizenship. If that benefit is giving out "pots of gold" then all its citizens should get the same.

Like I said, TCs will benefit as the ROC will use some of the money from the hydrocarbons fund for the budget of the ROC including welfare and medical provision. This means TCs who are citizens of the ROC can continue to receive health and welfare benefits - paid out of their share of the gas fund. It's only right that TCs make a contribution to the ROC as they receive benefits from their ROC citizenship.

I'm sure the ROC will find other imaginative ways to invest in the ROC for the benefit of all its citizens.

Maybe they can start by baiiling out the banks and sustaining the highly paid government jobs held by GCs only, thats an imaginative way of making sure the GCs benefit more than other "citizens".

[Kikapu]

As for all the gas talk how are they actually gonna get this gas to the EU if they dont go via Turkey?cost will sky rocket if they go by sea or take alternative routes,

Turkey may well be the most ideal way to get the Gas to Europe, but at what cost to the RoC. If Turkey were to pull out of Cyprus and become a trusted neighbour to Cyprus, then sure, why not. If not, then the cost to the RoC will go higher to get the Gas to Europe, but the cost for Gas not going through Turkey will also be expensive for Turkey. Once Turkey turns down the offer to normalize relations with Cyprus so that she can also benefit from Gas going through Turkey, she will lose out forever, because once the expensive investment is made to bypass Turkey to get the Gas to Europe by which ever means, there is no looking back. Turkey still would be at the mercy of Cyprus if she ever wanted to become an EU member, even in 100 years or more.

so another viewpoint is that the GCs will have to compromise along the lines of an AP with a few changes to get the TCs on board giving automatic access through the only via route through Turkey into Europe.

You mean the TCs and Turkey need to compromise on the AP to get the GCs on board, don't you? As I remember, it was the GCs who said OXI to the AP and for very good reasons too.

In any case, the GCs do not need to have access to the north to send Gas to Turkey if it should come to that. Why pay for another "middle man". It can be done directly from the south, bypassing the north altogether. One less thing for the GCs to worry about in what might happen in the future. You are after all, a Partitionist at Heart and can't be trusted!