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[bill cobbett]

really thats a new one. when did it happen before or after they killed 15 kofunye residents. or was it when they were burning the old disabled man alive.

you are so civilized.

So many claims but no sources to fall back on.

For the benefit of the masses, please post your source.

Thank you.

Welcome to CF MouflonRouge ... as you've discovered the TMT Supporter Blobbo doesn't give sources... just a loada kafenion talk... straight out of the bum of Rough Donktosh.

[Lordo]

really thats a new one. when did it happen before or after they killed 15 kofunye residents. or was it when they were burning the old disabled man alive.

you are so civilized.

So many claims but no sources to fall back on.

For the benefit of the masses, please post your source.

Thank you.

Welcome to CF MouflonRouge ... as you've discovered the TMT Supporter Blobbo doesn't give sources... just a loada kafenion talk... straight out of the bum of Rough Donktosh.

before you open up your stupid mouth charlui try reading sevgul uludags book and when you finish shove it where the sun dont shine and dont forget the jelly you stupit cnut.

they burnt a disabled old man alive you arshole.

[bill cobbett]

really thats a new one. when did it happen before or after they killed 15 kofunye residents. or was it when they were burning the old disabled man alive.

you are so civilized.

So many claims but no sources to fall back on.

For the benefit of the masses, please post your source.

Thank you.

Welcome to CF MouflonRouge ... as you've discovered the TMT Supporter Blobbo doesn't give sources... just a loada kafenion talk... straight out of the bum of Rough Donktosh.

before you open up your stupid mouth charlui try reading sevgul uludags book and when you finish shove it where the sun dont shine and dont forget the jelly you stupit cnut.

they burnt a disabled old man alive you arshole.

... and as you can see Moufflon, Blobbo is particularly foul-mouthed... His sources? The usual ones ... a ref to an author, no book title, ... and no citations to follow... and without independent confirmations.

He allegedly "read it in a book"... so it must be true sort of dim-witted thinking.

Waste of time arguing with these brain-washed mushrooms, gibbering and festering left-overs, fanatical plate-scrappings from the old Volkan days.

[kimon07]

really thats a new one. when did it happen before or after they killed 15 kofunye residents. or was it when they were burning the old disabled man alive.

you are so civilized.

So many claims but no sources to fall back on.

For the benefit of the masses, please post your source.

Thank you.

Welcome to CF MouflonRouge ... as you've discovered the TMT Supporter Blobbo doesn't give sources... just a loada kafenion talk... straight out of the bum of Rough Donktosh.

before you open up your stupid mouth charlui try reading sevgul uludags book and when you finish shove it where the sun dont shine and dont forget the jelly you stupit cnut.

they burnt a disabled old man alive you arshole.

... and as you can see Moufflon, Blobbo is particularly foul-mouthed... His sources? The usual ones ... a ref to an author, no book title, ... and no citations to follow... and without independent confirmations.

He allegedly "read it in a book"... so it must be true sort of dim-witted thinking.

Waste of time arguing with these brain-washed mushrooms, gibbering and festering left-overs, fanatical plate-scrappings from the old Volkan days.

Be fair. Not just any book. sevgul uludags book. Very well known author all over the steppes of Mongolia.

[Lordo]

so how long have you been suffering bill. so uludags information is not good enough for you hey, you would like independent evidence about the attack on kofunye. are you sure it happened. because di-sickgeniss and his magnificent glorious eoga boys were not even there.

[mouflonrouge]

No one said that Sevgul Uludag does not publish reliable information.

But since you have mentioned her as the author, then perhaps you could do the right thing and provide the title of the book and any relevant citations regarding your extraordinary claims about burning a disabled man alive.

It should only take a few moments of your time to post any relevant citations. If the evidence does not exist then just say so.

[kimon07]

so how long have you been suffering bill. so uludags information is not good enough for you hey, you would like independent evidence about the attack on kofunye. are you sure it happened. because di-sickgeniss and his magnificent glorious eoga boys were not even there.

Lordo,

Coming back to the topic of the thread, which is whether Turkey and Britain had planned the partition of Cyprus since the mid 50s, I will note that the Kofinou incident was nothing less than another Turkish provocation/act in this same play aiming the same goal. The battle there was provoked by Turkey and the TMT aiming to create reasons for the withdrawal of Grivas and the Greek Army Division, which would open the door to an invasion in due time. So, lets get back to the topic.

Do you have any evidences - proof which contradict the evidences that Turkey, using the TMT as a tool, with the help and advise of Britain, instigated the intercommunal conflict since the mid 50s as a first step towards partition? Yes or No?

Isolated reports, substantiated or not, about atrocities committed or not committed by either side have nothing to do with the topic. So, stop derailing it and stop coming back, over and over and over again with rubbish which has been contradicted again and again in the past.

[repulsewarrior]

Lordo, if you'll allow me, i do not make judgements and scathing indictment, i think every Greek and Turk on the island know that for the most part, their lives were subjected to terror, all of them; that is what can be said.

as a Person you do your Constituency no favours ignoring the fact you are pasting on your so-called adversaries what are flaws in all of Human Kind. you are an Individual above all, this i assume you agree, it is up to you to act accordingly. and this can be said to any Individual defending an Identity of Persons.

...indeed Greeks cannot be "Greeks", why not, Turks are not "Turks" for the same reason, as Cypriots. Freedom, this choice is Mankind's gift to what seems are very few in earnest; at least Britain gave Cypriots a Rule of Law, Turkey considers Cyprus' value as Property, a vital asset it fiercely occupies militarily, they remain convinced that what was denied at the beginning of the Modern Age (with the treaty of Lausanne) can be resisted, indefinitely, it is theirs, Cyprus, because they were swindled, and in this regard only Britain is privy to the whole truth.

...as such, i ask you, do you see the value in a Greek Constituency, if there exists a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency, as well?

[kimon07]

No one said that Sevgul Uludag does not publish reliable information.

I DO!!

And I will prove to you (hopefully today or tomorrow) that the contents of the book related to the Kofinou case are rubbish. This author should be ashamed of her/himself for publishing a book on so serious issues based on such shallow and contradictory information or, rather, stories.

Title of the Book (or a chapter of it)?

A turning point in the history of Cyprus: The events of Kofinou…

Parts of the book, related to the Kofinou incidents, were posted in this forum in 2008 taken from a relevant article published by a GC news paper. They provide a very good laugh. Cause the "findings" of this author contradict even what TC RESIDENTS or relatives of residents of Kofinou at the time, who happened to be (and some still are) members of this forum, had to say about the "info" contained in the book. Such as, the info about the commanding officers of the local TMT militants. And the "info" about the alleged burning alive of the TC old man. An "incident" reported to the author by someone who was 10 years old when it happened, who saw something burning on the floor of a room but could not make out what it was, but, later, this poor 10 year old boy, heard from "others" that what was burning was a poor TC old man. The good author fails to tell us how much later this poor 10 years old boy learned this dreadful truth. 10 days? 10 months? Or 10 years later? and by whom? And from where? Did this poor old man have any close or distant relatives to confirm the story? A name? Anything else that would connect him to reality??

Forgot to mention that, according to this "esteemed" author, this poor 10 year old "eyewitness", who went through a devastating raid of his village by the GC National Guard, which lasted for many hours, and who saw people being killed around him, soon as the battle was over carried on with his childish activities and games like nothing had ever happened , not caring and not understanding what was going on, and playing just a few yards away from where the GC NG was lining up the bodies of the poor TCs who had been killed during the raid.

F....ng revolting.

You agree GR???

Enjoy the article. Draw you conclusions. And I will come back with mine.

cyprus21404.html?hilit=kofinou

P.S. The Kofinou issue is off topic here. Maybe we can continue it under the thread of GR where it was left back then in 2008? That thread contains some excelent posts and lots of information provided by older forum members.

[Nikitas]

The problem with archival releases is that they do not release all documentation. Some is still restricted and will be forever due to national interests. We can fill in the blanks by inference.

The events leading to the Kofinou incident are an example of such partial disclosures. What followed leads to inference of the deal and the motives behind it. We know how the incident started, by firing from TC positions in Mari and Kofinou against traffic on the Nicosia - LImassol higway. Who ordered the firing to start, when things had been peaceful till then, and why?

What is not widely known is that General Grivas regarded the situation as a matter for the police to deal with, not the army. His view was ignored and he was ordered to put the army in there. The resulting events led to escalation and if you remember Greece had called up reserves and mobilised its armed forces. It was the nearest to war Greece and Turkey had come since the start of the Cyprus problem. Then we had the Evros deal, which seems to escape the knowledge and awareness of TC posters on the forum. I recall the statements made by Greek dictator Papadopoulos after the Evros deal, how Cyprus is like a woman who can have two lovers and such emetic stuff.

From the above and the subsequent actions of the Junta in Cyprus (attempts to kill Makarios, EOKA B' etc) we can infer the hidden contents of the Evros deal- it was Double Enosis and dissolution of the ROC, a goal Turkey still pursues to thid day. The behavior of the Greek General Staff during the 1974 invasion, the non publication of the Cyprus File for reasons of national interest, indicate that there had been a secret deal. Everyone, includinng the TCs, had colluded in this deal, everyone except the majority of GCs. And that is how it remains till now.

In the weeks leading to the Annan referendum it was interesting to hear Greek politicians of all parties support the Annan plan, on the grounds that in Cyprus "the nation had suffered a military and diplomatic defeat" (Stefanos Tzoumakas, PASOK, speaking on MEGA), a characteristic statement. Interesting that they chose to present the situation this way, because officially Greece had suffered zilch, it lost nothing substantial, no territory, no national sovereignty in 1974. So what loss was being alluded to if not one contained in a secret deal which had gone wrong? If anyone doubs this just think what the situation would have been if Makarios had in fact been killed in 1974, the puppet government survived and the Greek side had managed to retain military cohesion after Attila I. There would be no Cyprus today, and the Green Line would be a Greek-Turkish border.

I am betting that in time we will find that there had been a plan, part of which was Attila I. Turkey realised that the Greek side was in chaos and pushed ahead with Attila II, a double cross on all its partners. The payback for the double cross was Cyprus' membership in the EU which effectively blocks any future plans Turkey might have had for the whole island. It will be interesting to see in the future if that was all the payback or if more is coming. Anglosaxons never forget, nor forgive.