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[supporttheunderdog]

People want something that works out of the box and they probably dont care if it is Android or Apple or Win if it works. What causes problems in the Android market are the very cheap tablets but there are some reasoble tablets to be had, and for about USD 120 (cannot find a UK price) there are apparently some reasonable 7 inch tablets which while not the Porsche of the Tablet world (as the iPad might be) do the job sufficiently well that one does not worry about the differences. The best bet is to look carefully at the spec before going for one of the less well known brands/unbranded tablets.

[cyprusgrump]

Nonsense, grumpy. It means two year old iPads are holding their value really well. You can't say the same for a crappy Android tablet which will be worth nothing the moment you open the box.

No, as they are available new on Amazon for the price stated it clearly means that it is worth £70 less as soon as you open one - as you would expect.

Yes, grumpy. And most people will still prefer an iPad 2 to a Pipo because it won't look like a plastic turd, won't have a crappy UI, and can run Apps from the Apple appstore and not crappy GooglePlay.

A plastic turd eh...?




Why, I'd say it looks remarkably like an iPad - and has the same screen... from which we can only deduce... well, I'll let the Apple fanboy work the rest out...

As for the UI - given that you haven't used it you are not in a position to comment are you? As somebody that has used both an iPad and an Android based device I can assure you that there is nothing wrong with the UI on the Android at all...

Thirty-seven million Android tablets sold world-wide in 2012 - let that sink in for a moment will you....?

Do you think they are sold on the back of a crappy UI and lack of apps...?

Oh, the answer is 'no' by the way! The UI is great and there is no shortage of apps thanks...

[supporttheunderdog]

Nonsense, grumpy. It means two year old iPads are holding their value really well. You can't say the same for a crappy Android tablet which will be worth nothing the moment you open the box.

No, as they are available new on Amazon for the price stated it clearly means that it is worth £70 less as soon as you open one - as you would expect.

Yes, grumpy. And most people will still prefer an iPad 2 to a Pipo because it won't look like a plastic turd, won't have a crappy UI, and can run Apps from the Apple appstore and not crappy GooglePlay.

A plastic turd eh...?




Why, I'd say it looks remarkably like an iPad - and has the same screen... from which we can only deduce... well, I'll let the Apple fanboy work the rest out...

As for the UI - given that you haven't used it you are not in a position to comment are you? As somebody that has used both an iPad and an Android based device I can assure you that there is nothing wrong with the UI on the Android at all...

Thirty-seven million Android tablets sold world-wide in 2012 - let that sink in for a moment will you....?

Do you think they are sold on the back of a crappy UI and lack of apps...?

Oh, the answer is 'no' by the way! The UI is great and there is no shortage of apps thanks...

and one is not restricted to the one main source of supply....

Android provides alternatives - it (a) provides an alternative to both apple and windows (b) within the Android world there are many alternatives. and both can only be better for the consumer.

At the end of the day you pays yer money and takes yer chance -

[Demonax]

No, as they are available new on Amazon for the price stated it clearly means that it is worth £70 less as soon as you open one - as you would expect.

Grumpy, a second hand iPad will hold its price and can be sold for a nice sum in a couple of years which can go towards an upgrade. It will still work nicely and run the latest version of IOS. On the other hand, a second hand Android tablet will be a worthless beermat. If price is your main concern, then getting an Android tablet is a false economy.

Why, I'd say it looks remarkably like an iPad - and has the same screen... from which we can only deduce...

The Pipo might be a Chinese knock off of an iPad but it is still not an iPad mate. It uses lower quality components inside and out with an inferior battery, poor camera etc. Good luck with rooting and flashing it as well and I really hope you appreciate all the Chinese bloatware!

And the Pipo does not have the same retina resolution screen as an iPad 3 or 4. It has the same screen resolution as the first generation iPad and iPad 2. So don't kid yourself that you are getting an iPad in any way, shape or form. You are just getting a cheap and inferior Android tablet, grumpy mate. Just accept that and enjoy....

[Demonax]

Most people (over 90%) use windows. Less than 8% use Macs. These are the hard facts And most of those who buy windows PCs buy them ready to use out of the box... they still get more power for their money. When it comes to smart phones Android is already ahead of the iPhone, and the same will happen with tablets soon. So I think you are wrong about what most people want.

Your figures are meaningless, Sotos. Most PC manufacturers install Windows on their systems but in terms of manufacturers Apple is third overall in US PC shipments behind HP and Dell and the only one with growing sales - and no. 1 in laptop sales where the profits are.

While sales and market share are important, Apple has a different strategy. Profit share is more important than unit sales to Apple and there’s no better example than the iPhone. With about only 5 percent of the total handsets sold, Apple is earning two-thirds of the handset industry’s total profits. Their profits are way out of proportion with their market share. Market share in and of itself has little value. There are a flood of cheap Android phones on the market but only Samsung is making any money. It's not sustainable for most companies to be losing money in the long run. And the same is true with the tablet market which Apple currently dominates.

Apple doesn’t want to sell all of the world’s computers and phones; rather, Apple wants to reap all the profits in the computer and phone industries. That is why it's such a threat to Microsoft in the long run.

[supporttheunderdog]

Hi Demonax
I think Sotos' figures are in fact quite valid.

If one was to look at total lap topsales / even PC sales in total) where would Apple fit in? They might 3rd biggest individual seller of PC's and the largest individual seller of laptops but not necassarily have a large share of the total market where once the decision has been made whether to chose the Apple or the Windows route. once Windos is chosen Dell and HP are also playing against a host of others. Indeed if one looks at this the operating system level (and that is probblay the primary choice, assuming one is willing/able to pay Apples' prices) making a comparison between one windows PC maker and eg Apple is meaningless at the manufacture level, bearing in mind monopolistic manufacture of Apple system products by Apple.

Same for tablets - where do Apple fit within the totality of sales of tablets in the approximate form factors Apple Offers and which most directly compete against tjhe IPad/MIPad mini, where Apple arn't compteing against just Eg Samsung or the Nexus range but every maker of devices with similar functions?

[cyprusgrump]

No, as they are available new on Amazon for the price stated it clearly means that it is worth £70 less as soon as you open one - as you would expect.

Grumpy, a second hand iPad will hold its price and can be sold for a nice sum in a couple of years which can go towards an upgrade. It will still work nicely and run the latest version of IOS. On the other hand, a second hand Android tablet will be a worthless beermat. If price is your main concern, then getting an Android tablet is a false economy.

Why, I'd say it looks remarkably like an iPad - and has the same screen... from which we can only deduce...

The Pipo might be a Chinese knock off of an iPad but it is still not an iPad mate. It uses lower quality components inside and out with an inferior battery, poor camera etc. Good luck with rooting and flashing it as well and I really hope you appreciate all the Chinese bloatware!

And the Pipo does not have the same retina resolution screen as an iPad 3 or 4. It has the same screen resolution as the first generation iPad and iPad 2. So don't kid yourself that you are getting an iPad in any way, shape or form. You are just getting a cheap and inferior Android tablet, grumpy mate. Just accept that and enjoy....

Hahahahaha!

Do you even read what you've written before you press 'Submit'...?

You have been trying to convince us that an iPad 2 is a great second hand buy... yet because the Pipo 'has the same screen resolution as the first generation iPad and iPad 2' it is 'cheap and inferior!

What a foolish fanboy you are...

Ignoring the fact that it has better cameras, a faster processor, more memory and more storage... and the same screen as an iPad 2 how is it inferior?

And given that you can buy it in the UK with no 'Chinese bloatware', why would anybody have to bother rooting and flashing it....?

And which components are lower quality? Where is your proof...? The memory chips, CPU, capacitors...?

There is a clear choice here for anybody who uses their brain before buying...

I can buy the Pipo for ~£150 with 48G storage and 1G RAM with a 1.6GHz CPU...

Or I could buy an iPad 2 for £300 with 16G storage, 512K RAM and a 1GHz CPU...

Or I could buy an iPad 3 for £370 with 16G storage...

Or I could buy an iPad 3 for and eye watering £445 with 32G storage...

OR I could wait a couple of months and get an Android tablet with the same display as a iPad 4

Given that the Pipo does everything I want, has no bloatware, an excellent display (you said so yourself), and is faster than the iPad 2 AND has much more storage for ~£150 I'd be a fool to make any other choice...

And you haven't said anything to convince me otherwise - I do hope you don't work in an Apple store!

Your whole argument has basically been a schoolboy-esque 'mine is better than yours' without even having the experience of trying an Android tablet - let alone read the specifications properly.

I'd be quite happy to buy an iPad if it had any significant advantage - having tried both, and with the significant price difference I'm afraid I will not be joining you in the fanboy club...

Thirty-seven million and growing year-on-year!

[Demonax]

You have been trying to convince us that an iPad 2 is a great second hand buy... yet because the Pipo 'has the same screen resolution as the first generation iPad and iPad 2' it is 'cheap and inferior!

No you idiot. I am telling you that if I buy an iPad today I can sell it in two years time for a good price and put that money towards an upgrade. Whereas your Android tablet will be worthless in two year's time.

Ignoring the fact that it has better cameras, a faster processor, more memory and more storage... and the same screen as an iPad 2 how is it inferior? Given that the Pipo does everything I want, has no bloatware, an excellent display (you said so yourself), and is faster than the iPad 2 AND has much more storage for ~£150 I'd be a fool to make any other choice...

Grumpy mate, you are buying a Chinese knock off of an old iPad and trying to convince yourself you are actually getting cutting-edge technology. Good luck with it. Let us know how you get on. It's not CE certified for sale in the UK so unless your reseller has rooted it you'll have to root it and flash it yourself. It's imported from China directly to the UK with Chinese bloatware and a dodgy Pipo UI. At least do some reading around first instead of looking at the price sticker only. And it will still be a beermat in two years time.

[Demonax]

Hi Demonax
I think Sotos' figures are in fact quite valid.

If one was to look at total lap topsales / even PC sales in total) where would Apple fit in? They might 3rd biggest individual seller of PC's and the largest individual seller of laptops but not necassarily have a large share of the total market where once the decision has been made whether to chose the Apple or the Windows route. once Windos is chosen Dell and HP are also playing against a host of others. Indeed if one looks at this the operating system level (and that is probblay the primary choice, assuming one is willing/able to pay Apples' prices) making a comparison between one windows PC maker and eg Apple is meaningless at the manufacture level, bearing in mind monopolistic manufacture of Apple system products by Apple.

Same for tablets - where do Apple fit within the totality of sales of tablets in the approximate form factors Apple Offers and which most directly compete against tjhe IPad/MIPad mini, where Apple arn't compteing against just Eg Samsung or the Nexus range but every maker of devices with similar functions?

STUD, you miss the point here. It's not a question of the Mac OS vs Windows where Microsoft dominates the market share. Or IOS vs Android where Apple only has a 5 per cent share. Apple doesn’t want to sell all of the world’s computers and phones; rather, Apple wants to reap all the profits in the computer and phone industries. Apple is not interested in market share but profits. There is no threat that Windows will vanish, but there is a serious threat that Microsoft’s profit from Windows greatly diminishes.

Apple has a very different strategy to Microsoft/Google, and there’s no better example than the iPhone. Like I said earlier, with about only 5 percent of the total handsets sold, Apple is earning two-thirds of the handset industry’s total profits. Their profits are way out of proportion with their market share. All of Apple’s competitors in the phone industry, save Samsung, are now starving for profit. On a 5 per cent market share of smartphones Apple’s iPhone revenue alone is larger than all of Microsoft’s businesses combined. Just take that in for a moment.

Now let’s think about a post-PC future exemplified by the iPad. Analysts predict that tablet volumes are expanding very quickly and are on track to overtake traditional PCs while traditional PCs are likely to be disrupted and decline. So Microsoft faces a dilemma. Their business model of expensive software on cheap hardware is not sustainable. The future is nearly free software integrated into moderately priced hardware. The Mac already owns the $999-and-over market (where the margins are), and the iPad owns the tablet market (where the growth is). Even if Apple’s growth soon slows, Apple already reaps a massive share of the industry’s profits. The PC market is quickly heading to where the phone market already is. And that suits Apple.

As I said before, Microsoft Surface is not fundamentally about Microsoft needing to control the entire integrated product in order to compete with the iPad on design. It’s about Microsoft needing to sell the whole thing just to sustain its current profitability.

[B25]

No, as they are available new on Amazon for the price stated it clearly means that it is worth £70 less as soon as you open one - as you would expect.

Grumpy, a second hand iPad will hold its price and can be sold for a nice sum in a couple of years which can go towards an upgrade. It will still work nicely and run the latest version of IOS. On the other hand, a second hand Android tablet will be a worthless beermat. If price is your main concern, then getting an Android tablet is a false economy.

Why, I'd say it looks remarkably like an iPad - and has the same screen... from which we can only deduce...

The Pipo might be a Chinese knock off of an iPad but it is still not an iPad mate. It uses lower quality components inside and out with an inferior battery, poor camera etc. Good luck with rooting and flashing it as well and I really hope you appreciate all the Chinese bloatware!

And the Pipo does not have the same retina resolution screen as an iPad 3 or 4. It has the same screen resolution as the first generation iPad and iPad 2. So don't kid yourself that you are getting an iPad in any way, shape or form. You are just getting a cheap and inferior Android tablet, grumpy mate. Just accept that and enjoy....

There is a clear choice here for anybody who uses their brain before buying...

I can buy the Pipo for ~£150 with 48G storage and 1G RAM with a 1.6GHz CPU...

Or I could buy an iPad 2 for £300 with 16G storage, 512K RAM and a 1GHz CPU...

Or I could buy an iPad 3 for £370 with 16G storage...

Or I could buy an iPad 3 for and eye watering £445 with 32G storage...

Rubbish.

it's like saying I can by a Merc S320 CDI for €80,000 or I can get a skoda for €15,000.

They bothe drive, get me from a to be safely and are both cars!

Buy and Ipad and a Pipo and then sell them 2 years later or even 1 year later and see if you can even sell the Pipo.

Thats the point Demon is making that you refuse to accept.

And what the hell is a Pipo anyway. My 3 year old knows what an ipad is and she can use it very well. Utube, games, scrolls screen and more.