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[Demonax]

can you run office on your ipad?...one of the many things an ipad can't do... In the future what you like will be running on Microsoft.

Yes I can run Office documents on my iPad. I use Apple iWorks for that. I can also use Google Docs or third party office suites. I can also connect my iPad to a virtual Windows server running in the cloud and run the Windows version of Microsoft Office remotely.

There is going to be a version of mobile Office in early 2013. But to be honest I don't need it and won't be buying it. Your faith in Microsoft is touching but misguided. The iPad is remaking the personal computing industry - along with so many other industries. Because we've spent the past generation and a half being taught to use a keyboard and a mouse our primary 'creative' applications are optimized for these. Word, Excel, CAD, Photoshop, Final Cut, SAS et al.

The iPad is slowly but surely altering these. I still use my desktop for things like video editing and typing long documents. But I use my desktop less and less and I can do most things I use a computer for on my iPad.

The rise of the iPhone and iPad are creating the next generation of computing tools. The next generation will not understand the needless complexity nor the requirement for physical keyboard and mouse of these old world applications.

And application is key here. Not connectivity. We are quickly transitioning from application to app. The app is the highly specific task - for both consumption and creativity - that our iPads (and like devices) are optimized for. The reason Microsoft's Surface will fail is not because people only want tablets for consumption. The reason it will fail is because the iPad reveals the future of computing and creativity. The Surface, with its innovation focused almost entirely on old world input methods, is dead on arrival.

The Surface is the last of the dinosaurs. Unaware that on the other side of the world, the giant meteor has already struck.

[Demonax]

..what i am saying, microsoft is going to dominate in a large scale due to their already dominance...it's unavoidable they own the market, they have a sizeable gaming platform and best of all the money to take anyone on...

microsofts growth has stood at a standstill for a longtime now....

Microsoft faces a dilemma. Their business model of expensive software on cheap hardware is not sustainable. The future is nearly free software integrated into moderately priced hardware. That is why Microsoft has decided to compete with the manufacturers that have been its partners since the dawn of the PC era.

Microsoft is scared of losing not just the tablet market, but the PC market as a whole. Not in sheer numbers, but in sheer profit. Apple doesn’t want to sell all of the world’s computers and phones; rather, Apple wants to reap all the profits in the computer and phone industries. There is no threat that Windows goes away, but there is a serious threat that Microsoft’s profit from Windows greatly diminishes.

Even if Apple's growth soon slows, Apple already reaps a massive share of the industry's profits. And if Apple's growth doesn't slow in the next year or two, look out. All of Apple's competitors in the phone industry, save Samsung, are now starving for profit. They're dying, all of them — HTC is breaking even and the rest are deep in the red.

The iPad is growing faster than the iPhone. The Mac already owns the $999-and-over market (where the margins are), and the iPad owns the tablet market (where the growth is). The PC market is quickly heading to where the phone market already is.

Microsoft Surface is not fundamentally about Microsoft needing to control the entire integrated product in order to compete with the iPad on design. It's about Microsoft needing to sell the whole thing to sustain its current profitability.

[B25]

Demon, very enlightening mate if I may say so, well articulated. perhaps Microsoft should employ you to get them ahead of the game

Nice one.

[FragnaticDeath]

To be honest, I don't think he knows what he is talking about. All I can read is a fan boy of Apple. Really Apple being an innovator for what? Sleek design for example square shape table and round edges? Further on decides to sue Samsung for that?

The least thing Apple is it is an innovator. All developers know it! Good quality of products but as a company they play dirty.

[Demonax]

To be honest, I don't think he knows what he is talking about. All I can read is a fan boy of Apple. Really Apple being an innovator for what? Sleek design for example square shape table and round edges? Further on decides to sue Samsung for that?

The least thing Apple is it is an innovator. All developers know it! Good quality of products but as a company they play dirty.

I can assure you I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

In terms of innovation Apple is regarded in most surveys as the most innovative company in the world. Apple has had three revolutionary products in recent memory: the iPod, the iPhone, and iPad. These devices came out in 2001, 2007, and 2010, respectively. The iPhone and iPad are huge catalysts for the mobile revolution, the enormous shift toward smartphones and tablets that will take many years to pan out.

The iPad was Apple's most recent big risk. Remember that prior to that, tablet PCs were accepted as a dead product category (because Microsoft fumbled them a decade earlier).

You also make the common mistake of thinking that Apple is just about sleek design. You fail to understand how much innovation is taking place under the hood. It sounds simple on paper to make things thinner, faster, and lighter, but that requires major technical and engineering achievements inside the devices.

I'd say going from the original chunky iPad in April 2010 to the retina super-fast iPad 4 and svelte iPad Mini today is a pretty brisk rate. Two and a half years later Apple offers two very different iPads that both completely blow the original one away — and the original one is now almost universally hailed as a landmark innovation in the history of personal computing.

[cyprusgrump]

To be honest, I don't think he knows what he is talking about. All I can read is a fan boy of Apple. Really Apple being an innovator for what? Sleek design for example square shape table and round edges? Further on decides to sue Samsung for that?

The least thing Apple is it is an innovator. All developers know it! Good quality of products but as a company they play dirty.

I can assure you I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

In terms of innovation Apple is regarded in most surveys as the most innovative company in the world. Apple has had three revolutionary products in recent memory: the iPod, the iPhone, and iPad. These devices came out in 2001, 2007, and 2010, respectively. The iPhone and iPad are huge catalysts for the mobile revolution, the enormous shift toward smartphones and tablets that will take many years to pan out.

The iPad was Apple's most recent big risk. Remember that prior to that, tablet PCs were accepted as a dead product category (because Microsoft fumbled them a decade earlier).

You also make the common mistake of thinking that Apple is just about sleek design. You fail to understand how much innovation is taking place under the hood. It sounds simple on paper to make things thinner, faster, and lighter, but that requires major technical and engineering achievements inside the devices.

I'd say going from the original chunky iPad in April 2010 to the retina super-fast iPad 4 and svelte iPad Mini today is a pretty brisk rate. Two and a half years later Apple offers two very different iPads that both completely blow the original one away — and the original one is now almost universally hailed as a landmark innovation in the history of personal computing.

I'm not an expert on the subject at all... But I had a Diamond Rio on 1998 - some years before the iPod became available.... so the iPod for one was hardly innovative or revolutionary....

[Demonax]

I'm not an expert on the subject at all... But I had a Diamond Rio on 1998 - some years before the iPod became available.... so the iPod for one was hardly innovative or revolutionary....

You don’t need to be the first to be innovative: Apple lets others Fail first. The Diamond RIO and many others existed before the iPod, PC manufacturers have been doing tablets for years, and RIM was worth tens of billions of dollars when the iPhone was just a rumor. When Apple does release a new product or even feature they are usually the first to get it right in terms of usability. They let other companies fail first and listen in on why they failed with crystal clear clarity. Look at the original iPod. They knew other MP3 players existed, but they found the benefits that people really wanted (small form factor like a Diamond RIO with the storage space similar to that of a Nomad). This is how Apple innovates. Apple is, in short, an orchestrator and integrator of technologies, unafraid to bring in ideas from outside but always adding its own twists.

Apple illustrates the importance of designing new products around the needs of the user, not the demands of the technology. Too many technology firms think that clever innards are enough to sell their products, resulting in gizmos designed by engineers for engineers. Apple has consistently combined clever technology with simplicity and ease of use. The iPod was not the first digital-music player, but it was the first to make transferring and organising music, and buying it online, easy enough for almost anyone to use. Similarly, the iPhone was not the first mobile phone to incorporate a music-player, web browser or e-mail software. But it was the first to get it right and be amazingly easy to use. Same with the iPad and tablets.

[cyprusgrump]

I'm not an expert on the subject at all... But I had a Diamond Rio on 1998 - some years before the iPod became available.... so the iPod for one was hardly innovative or revolutionary....

You don’t need to be the first to be innovative: Apple lets others Fail first. The Diamond RIO and many others existed before the iPod, PC manufacturers have been doing tablets for years, and RIM was worth tens of billions of dollars when the iPhone was just a rumor. When Apple does release a new product or even feature they are usually the first to get it right in terms of usability. They let other companies fail first and listen in on why they failed with crystal clear clarity. Look at the original iPod. They knew other MP3 players existed, but they found the benefits that people really wanted (small form factor like a Diamond RIO with the storage space similar to that of a Nomad). This is how Apple innovates. Apple is, in short, an orchestrator and integrator of technologies, unafraid to bring in ideas from outside but always adding its own twists.

Apple illustrates the importance of designing new products around the needs of the user, not the demands of the technology. Too many technology firms think that clever innards are enough to sell their products, resulting in gizmos designed by engineers for engineers. Apple has consistently combined clever technology with simplicity and ease of use. The iPod was not the first digital-music player, but it was the first to make transferring and organising music, and buying it online, easy enough for almost anyone to use. Similarly, the iPhone was not the first mobile phone to incorporate a music-player, web browser or e-mail software. But it was the first to get it right and be amazingly easy to use. Same with the iPad and tablets.

Calm down fanboy - you sound like a mad professor!

The Rio was awesome - I saw it and knew I had to have it... and I've had a series of MP3 players since - no iPod...

[Demonax]

The Rio was awesome - I saw it and knew I had to have it... and I've had a series of MP3 players since - no iPod...

Grumpy, mate. In its day the Diamond Rio had 32MB of storage (around seven songs!) and was fairly expensive so it was only ever a niche product. It never achieved widespread success and its only claim to fame these days is that Apple saw its limitations and came up with the iPod.

But keep it up, grumpy, old boy. Your devotion to second-rate products is truly admirable. Each to his own I guess.

[Get Real!]

For the sake of the argument let’s just say that 10 years from now the Galaxy or the iPad will be as powerful as a full blown computer.

Now why would you want to be carrying around a full blown computer with a 5x5cm screen???

And why is it you haven't purchased a 5x5cm screen for your home PC???


See what happens when you start using common sense?

You realize what a sucker you’ve been...