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[Viewpoint]

Wrong the TCs didnt trust the GCs thats why they preferred the Brits as they saw them as their protectors, the compromise was the 1960 agreements which you renegged on after only 3 years so they were right in their fears that GCs are not to be trusted.

Please clarify your last sentence.

[Maximus]

There is no need,

Admittedly, this conversation is now off topic given the title of the thread and I would prefer to withdraw since this conversation only has the potential to spiral into a conudrum of cluster f"ck.

Besides, you have zero credibility and we all know what really happened in Cyprus in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Its been well documented s well as numerous UN resolutions which have been made.

[ZoC]

here's the cause and effect. cause=unwelcome and uninvited invaders who settle and won't integrate, over centuries; effect=division.

Have they got large percentage of the population against such a union? and will they fight against such a move if they thought it would meant their death warrant?

so, like i said, ur the cause of the problem. ur the cause of the division. QED.

Wrong the cause is the desire to gift ones country to another, without that there would be no division.

stop arguing. ur causing problems... and division... QED

[Viewpoint]

There is no need,

Admittedly, this conversation is now off topic given the title of the thread and I would prefer to withdraw since this conversation only has the potential to spiral into a conudrum of cluster f"ck.

Besides, you have zero credibility and we all know what really happened in Cyprus in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Its been well documented s well as numerous UN resolutions which have been made.

Exactly thats why everyone is well aware of the reasons why we have division today and which side rejected the UN backed union plan.

[Maximus]

There is no need,

Admittedly, this conversation is now off topic given the title of the thread and I would prefer to withdraw since this conversation only has the potential to spiral into a conudrum of cluster f"ck.

Besides, you have zero credibility and we all know what really happened in Cyprus in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Its been well documented s well as numerous UN resolutions which have been made.

Exactly thats why everyone is well aware of the reasons why we have division today and which side rejected the UN backed union plan.

This isn't a Turkish newspaper, you know?

[Lordo]

the question has to be answered. unless we get to the root of the problem and agree with it then there will be no answer. these people spent so much money and got to understand the problem as is. surely we can help them a little of the problem as was. come now boys you can do better than that.

so the question remains. what is the root of the cyprus problem.

here is my contribution.

the root of the problem was enosis. violence started in 55. parliament voted unanimously in 67 to enosise with greece and that vote has never been repealed to this day. the gc scociety cannot even discus this matter openly on the media. surely the answer is right infornt of us for those who wish to see it. unfortunately we cannot help the politically blind on this matter. here were are with an independent state for 7 years and our parliament votes to join with greece. is it not obvious.

as to what ecevit said certainly he may well turn out to be correct.

Lets just say for the sake of argument that Enosis was the sole cause of Cyprus problems starting in 1955, then how do you explain why Turkey is still occupying Cyprus when Cyprus no longer wants to have Enosis with Greece, but instead, did Enosis with the EU, the same institution Turkey says also wants to have Enosis with?

Clearly, just plain Enosis with Greece cannot be the sole reason of Cyprus's problems, can it?

very simple. the law passed by the roc in 67 regarding enosis with greece has not been repealed. if they have the guts to repeal that law or even discuss it will be a start.

so do we agree that enosis was the root of the problem in 55 or not.

[repulsewarrior]

...the original sin, if you will, was when the British identified the dwellers as "Greeks" or "Turks", they did not respect the fact that Cypriots have survived millenia in isolation or as a backwater amongst themselves because they were some of the most socialised people in the world.

...if the EU needs help, it is with its own inclusivness as Peoples, Living Bicommunally in Cyprus, would give Europeans an idea of its Muslim face.

...whereas Erdogan may be displaying his hostility when speaking of Europe (in such matters), it is possible that he is pleading for help, some shining example.

[Viewpoint]

...the original sin, if you will, was when the British identified the dwellers as "Greeks" or "Turks", they did not respect the fact that Cypriots have survived millenia in isolation or as a backwater amongst themselves because they were some of the most socialised people in the world.

...if the EU needs help, it is with its own inclusivness as Peoples, Living Bicommunally in Cyprus, would give Europeans an idea of its Muslim face.

...whereas Erdogan may be displaying his hostility when speaking of Europe (in such matters), it is possible that he is pleading for help, some shining example.

Are you GCs taught at a very early age never to accept blame by blaming everyone else?