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[Piratis]

Black cat, if people were so perfect then the system wouldn't matter. We could have a dictatorship and everything would still be great.

but if human beings cannot live peacefully together withour exploting each other in a lawful state,how would they be if there were no laws and no state.Are we to go back to the survival of the fittest?Jungle law?

[Black Cat]

hm..where should i start.. bg_turk.. Yes, today people are greedy, jealous and egoistic. People are soo bad..But why? Are people born in this way? When a child is born it has no evil inside..People take whatever they see around them and use it for themselves.. They change according to their enviroment. Anything new they see they want to try it and thats how humans work.
People become sheep because thats how they grow up, thinking in the way their parents and every one else thinks, because those are the people they learnt everything else from. People are closed up. There's like a barrier that doesnt let their thoughts go beyond. Many things we live affect us into becoming this way. Our parents(which have the same or worse edjucation than us), the "edjucation" in todays schools, which are used to brainwash us into becoming obidient and learning what the goverment wants us to think and not how to think..They teach us to be competable using tests exams and points.. They brainwash us to vote and use their system, where i use to go they forced everyone to go to church! And we and religion class!! They change the history in history books and make it look good for "our" state, they have ethnic celebrations and where forced to watch them..Uniform..Expelling..
After leaving school, at 18years of age we are forced to join the army for 2years!.. These things happen in our most "sensitive" stage of life. Thats the age we can really LEARN. And that is what they offer us. Well that is what we learn...
You said people need a mechanism to push those that break the law.. Well, have u ever thought why people brake the law? why people kill or steal? If someone grows up in a ghetto(u see whats happening i france) or grew up poor with parents that dont care because they only think about how to get money and are psychologicly not well, dont u think that the child might end up stealing to eat or get something he cant afford because friends of his have it or he is so addicted to tv that he will mant to buy anything interesting adverts advrtise? Dont u think he will try drugs to find a better place? To tell u the truth i believe that the worst criminals are not in jail. They are all around us holding and stealing money in big amounts in ways u can never imagine. So many deaths from wars.. So many in prison because of their ideas..
As for a revolution, it is the only way(if the revolutionists have the power to survive after it) to bring a solution. Nothing works with words and papers today.. Revolutions in the past where used to drop the power and make something new. Sadly they where never prepared for after the revolutions..So it had in starting anyway.

Birkibris19, u said people cannot live peacfully in a lawful state, how can they if there where no laws.. Well, laws where actually used a long time ago for the protection of the rich and goverment people.. The law used the social feelings of people which used to have self-law (im not sure how u say it- its the laws we have inside of us which arent writen) to plant next to it the written laws and make people believe that we cannot live without leaders and laws. People from nature can tell what is right and what is wrong.. If edjucation taught us that and showed us how to control our feelings things would be very different. If there will be a revolution, it wont be in Cyprus. There is no point in having a revolution in cyprus because there are enough goods to survive without help from other countries. It could happen if something bigger happend in other big countries.

Anarchy doesnt mean going back in time and living like in the jungle! It means using everything human has made in a safe to the enviroment and human way. WOrkers will not be used by rich for their profit. Technology will be used in a good way.. Something i would like is the distruction of all weapons:)

Piratis..you said "If people were so perfect the system wouldnt matter".. Well i disagree with that because the reflection of peoples actions is the system. People made this system, as they have made church, as they have made weapons, as they have tryed to change a lot of things too..

Well..four of you answered, you all like the idea..but u are all negative of anarchy succeeding and of people changing.. Well that is one more thing they always try and covince people at schools and generaly in life.

[Black Cat]

hm..where should i start.. bg_turk.. Yes, today people are greedy, jealous and egoistic. People are soo bad..But why? Are people born in this way? When a child is born it has no evil inside..People take whatever they see around them and use it for themselves.. They change according to their enviroment. Anything new they see they want to try it and thats how humans work.
People become sheep because thats how they grow up, thinking in the way their parents and every one else thinks, because those are the people they learnt everything else from. People are closed up. There's like a barrier that doesnt let their thoughts go beyond. Many things we live affect us into becoming this way. Our parents(which have the same or worse edjucation than us), the "edjucation" in todays schools, which are used to brainwash us into becoming obidient and learning what the goverment wants us to think and not how to think..They teach us to be competable using tests exams and points.. They brainwash us to vote and use their system, where i use to go they forced everyone to go to church! And we and religion class!! They change the history in history books and make it look good for "our" state, they have ethnic celebrations and where forced to watch them..Uniform..Expelling..
After leaving school, at 18years of age we are forced to join the army for 2years!.. These things happen in our most "sensitive" stage of life. Thats the age we can really LEARN. And that is what they offer us. Well that is what we learn...
You said people need a mechanism to push those that break the law.. Well, have u ever thought why people brake the law? why people kill or steal? If someone grows up in a ghetto(u see whats happening i france) or grew up poor with parents that dont care because they only think about how to get money and are psychologicly not well, dont u think that the child might end up stealing to eat or get something he cant afford because friends of his have it or he is so addicted to tv that he will mant to buy anything interesting adverts advrtise? Dont u think he will try drugs to find a better place? To tell u the truth i believe that the worst criminals are not in jail. They are all around us holding and stealing money in big amounts in ways u can never imagine. So many deaths from wars.. So many in prison because of their ideas..
As for a revolution, it is the only way(if the revolutionists have the power to survive after it) to bring a solution. Nothing works with words and papers today.. Revolutions in the past where used to drop the power and make something new. Sadly they where never prepared for after the revolutions..So it had in starting anyway.

Birkibris19, u said people cannot live peacfully in a lawful state, how can they if there where no laws.. Well, laws where actually used a long time ago for the protection of the rich and goverment people.. The law used the social feelings of people which used to have self-law (im not sure how u say it- its the laws we have inside of us which arent writen) to plant next to it the written laws and make people believe that we cannot live without leaders and laws. People from nature can tell what is right and what is wrong.. If edjucation taught us that and showed us how to control our feelings things would be very different. If there will be a revolution, it wont be in Cyprus. There is no point in having a revolution in cyprus because there are enough goods to survive without help from other countries. It could happen if something bigger happend in other big countries.

Anarchy doesnt mean going back in time and living like in the jungle! It means using everything human has made in a safe to the enviroment and human way. WOrkers will not be used by rich for their profit. Technology will be used in a good way.. Something i would like is the distruction of all weapons:)

Piratis..you said "If people were so perfect the system wouldnt matter".. Well i disagree with that because the reflection of peoples actions is the system. People made this system, as they have made church, as they have made weapons, as they have tryed to change a lot of things too..

Well..four of you answered, you all like the idea..but u are all negative of anarchy succeeding and of people changing.. Well that is one more thing they always try and covince people at schools and generaly in life.

[Black Cat]

woops sorry i sent it twice:S

[BirKibrisli]

Black Cat,
It is very difficult not to agree with a lot of your points.But is also dificult to see what things will turn out if we abolished all governments and all rules and replaced them with...nothing.

What you are really saying is that Capitalism has failed humanity,created greed,selfishness,and inequality.A subtle jungle law is at work via capitalism,where the strong(the capital) is always trying to make slaves of the weak(the worker).I couldn't agree more.But how does one defeat capital?The revolution which became communism in Russia tried and failed miserably because of the human failures you talk about.Workers rule turned to tyranny,and one set of exploiters were replaced by another.

The new world order which is really the old world order with different players,are carving up our planet according to their interests,and crushing us people like cockroaches,if we so much as make a dissenting noice.Even in Cyprus GCs and TCs cannot unite and fight off those slugs drinking our blood.We cannot overcome nationalistic brainwashing to save our country from being raped and pillaged.We are being screwed by the new world order led by the USA and the UK,and still fighting each other like rats in a cage.What chance do we have of overturning the established order,if we still need our "mothers" to change our underpants?

[bg_turk]

Black Cat,

like birkibrisli I agree with all of your points. But I am afraid they will remain only ideals towards which we may strive and get closer to, but they will be never reached.

It is simply human nature, it has been tried many times before, with the french revolution, the communist revolution, etc. but it has never worked.

[Black Cat]

Well in 1936 in the spanish conflict, a big part of spain tryed it and it worked..until the "communists" which where ment to be together with the anarchists against fashists "changed" their mind... They joined everything toghether, made collectives, worked 4hours a day 5times a week and the economy grew..
Today in mexico their is a community called chiapas which made war with the goverment in 1994 and now are living in their own area..They even have an army, the "zapatistas" army which protect the community in case of an invasion from the mexican goverment. They made collectives and the population is quite big.. They dont have presidents etc but they all decide together. For more info..
http://chiapas.indymedia.org/
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/topics/zapatista/

[ProudToBeGreek]

This is the new Nationalism, being proud of your country, heritage and race but also being proud of the European Race as well, and sticking up for your fellow whites.

[Piratis]

This is the new Nationalism, being proud of your country, heritage and race but also being proud of the European Race as well, and sticking up for your fellow whites.

For centuries we were the slaves of our "fellow whites". In this sense we have more common things with the blacks. Why would any Cypriot have anything against blacks???

[ProudToBeGreek]

This is the new Nationalism, being proud of your country, heritage and race but also being proud of the European Race as well, and sticking up for your fellow whites.

For centuries we were the slaves of our "fellow whites". In this sense we have more common things with the blacks. Why would any Cypriot have anything against blacks???

I have nothing against Blacks, except that multi racial societies fail.

I do not agree with wars or intervention, I disagreed with Iraq and Afghan. I believe that all races are better off keeping to themselves, for example, I wouldn't instinctively be as keen to make friends with a black or turk as much as I would a Serb, that is not racist, it is simply keeping to your own andbeing proud of your race.