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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby kurupetos » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:29 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:indeed, kurupetos, the Greek diaspora is everywhere across the world, and they are considered warm and loving as well as tenatious. even the greatness of Greece as a People in adversity (defending themselves against Facists many times over) favours this choice to someone very very hungry (and sad), and who may know something from learning. and as i have already told you, learning Greek is a ticket out by boat, as a Mariner, still is and has been for at least 400 years.

P.S. I have nothing against other Europeans, and do not wish to trash their countries just because some Pakis are trashing mine.


...one may resist the future, and we may adapt, it may be a problem in Greece, propably because it is a European problem.

Did you read item #3? :wink:
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:32 pm

kurupetos wrote:
MGCN wrote:Greece would rapidly fall foul of EU/ECHR law with that offer so we are stuck with deportation or prison.

Point out this law. :?

Thou shall not be stupid! (It’s in the Bible)

I understand your (screwed up) nationalistic tendencies but they go against those countries that have joined the EU. Schengen and all that… pretty fucked up!
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby kurupetos » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
MGCN wrote:Greece would rapidly fall foul of EU/ECHR law with that offer so we are stuck with deportation or prison.

Point out this law. :?

Thou shall not be stupid! (It’s in the Bible)

I understand your nationalistic tendencies but they go against those countries that have joined the EU. Schengen and all that… pretty fucked up!

What? :? Schengen is completely irrelevant you silly sod. :lol:
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:37 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
MGCN wrote:Greece would rapidly fall foul of EU/ECHR law with that offer so we are stuck with deportation or prison.

Point out this law. :?

Thou shall not be stupid! (It’s in the Bible)

I understand your nationalistic tendencies but they go against those countries that have joined the EU. Schengen and all that… pretty fucked up!

What? :? Schengen is completely irrelevant you silly sod. :lol:

There's a whole bunch of relevant laws protecting the “undesirables” so I reckon it's a fucked up case...
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby kurupetos » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:09 am

Kommt Zeit, Kommt Rat, Kommt Attentat!
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:56 am

kimon07 wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:“I’m obliged to stay here. I have no other choice,” he said bitterly. “I’m learning Greek because I can’t escape from here, and I won’t go back to Iran or Afghanistan.”


This is precisely the drama of both the Greeks AND the immigrants. That EU regulations keep the immigrants trapped there against their will. Very democratic and very humanistic indeed.

......and is not the European Culture Bicommunal?


The original and true European culture is Graeco-Roman and nothing else. It never had muslim/asian cultural elements in it. But the societies of the former colonial European countries, with their stupid policies, have managed to become bicommunal and tricommunal etc. But that was and is their own fault and problem. And I don't see why this serious problem should be spread to the rest of Europe as well. And the funny thing is that some of the former colonial European countries, Britain mainly, are causing even today, in cooperation with the USA, the waves of immigration from Asian and African countries with their wars and the social and economical instability and the ethnic and religious animosities and conflicts which their policies and their expansionism cause. Illegal immigration is their baby. They and their citizens should deal with it. Not the rest of us.[/quote]


there were othe cultures in Europe besides the Graceo-Roman, which was never neccasrily the True Culture, being imposed by force and often being just a thin veneer overlaid on Native Culture, and which in Western Europe finally collapsed around 400AD-480SD (it had been falling apart for 100 years before) through many factors including desease, and civil war.
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby kimon07 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:49 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:“I’m obliged to stay here. I have no other choice,” he said bitterly. “I’m learning Greek because I can’t escape from here, and I won’t go back to Iran or Afghanistan.”


This is precisely the drama of both the Greeks AND the immigrants. That EU regulations keep the immigrants trapped there against their will. Very democratic and very humanistic indeed.

......and is not the European Culture Bicommunal?


The original and true European culture is Greco-Roman and nothing else. It never had muslim/asian cultural elements in it. But the societies of the former colonial European countries, with their stupid policies, have managed to become bicommunal and tricommunal etc. But that was and is their own fault and problem. And I don't see why this serious problem should be spread to the rest of Europe as well. And the funny thing is that some of the former colonial European countries, Britain mainly, are causing even today, in cooperation with the USA, the waves of immigration from Asian and African countries with their wars and the social and economical instability and the ethnic and religious animosities and conflicts which their policies and their expansionism cause. Illegal immigration is their baby. They and their citizens should deal with it. Not the rest of us.



there were other cultures in Europe besides the Greco-Roman, which was never necessarily the True Culture, being imposed by force and often being just a thin veneer overlaid on Native Culture, and which in Western Europe finally collapsed around 400AD-480SD (it had been falling apart for 100 years before) through many factors including disease, and civil war.


Is that so? Can you name a couple? I mean cultures that influenced the development of the "common" European Culture?
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby MGCN » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:53 am

kurupetos wrote: (b) left him/her to perish.


Hi Kurupetos,

What do you mean by this? Assuming that the individual is an illegal then they are not going to get state handouts as they are not registered in the system etc. You mentioned deportation as an option so for those that do not choose this what do you propose?
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby kurupetos » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:59 pm

MGCN wrote:
kurupetos wrote: (b) left him/her to perish.


Hi Kurupetos,

What do you mean by this? Assuming that the individual is an illegal then they are not going to get state handouts as they are not registered in the system etc. You mentioned deportation as an option so for those that do not choose this what do you propose?

I thought it was obvious. :? What happens if someone doesn't eat and doesn't receive medical aid? Anyone trying to provide these to illegal immigrants should be arrested. :wink:
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby MGCN » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:29 am

kurupetos wrote:
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kurupetos wrote: (b) left him/her to perish.


Hi Kurupetos,

What do you mean by this? Assuming that the individual is an illegal then they are not going to get state handouts as they are not registered in the system etc. You mentioned deportation as an option so for those that do not choose this what do you propose?

I thought it was obvious. :? What happens if someone doesn't eat and doesn't receive medical aid? Anyone trying to provide these to illegal immigrants should be arrested. :wink:


Ok so provide food and medical aid to an illegal would be a criminal offence - where do the illegals live while they are perishing? If it is on the streets they they are likely to turn to crime to support themselves and should they be arrested they will be in prison the state will be obliged to support them.
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