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[kimon07]

hardly a surprisng comment from a xenophobe like you....

And what do YOU suggest Greece should do?

[wyoming cowboy]

This is the basis for whats going on in the world today. Very simplistic but makes some sense

and here is recent evidence of what the physics man is talking about. In the near future the Eu will be able to veto individual countries' budgets...For instance if Cyprus goes over it alloted budget the Eu can force Cyprus to bring things to Eu standards.....

[bill cobbett]

Ooooh Michio Kaku!!!

One of me fav scientists, great communicator and populariser of Science, esp quantum and string theories.

Works out of a Uni in New York.

[kimon07]

“I’m obliged to stay here. I have no other choice,” he said bitterly. “I’m learning Greek because I can’t escape from here, and I won’t go back to Iran or Afghanistan.”

This is precisely the drama of both the Greeks AND the immigrants. That EU regulations keep the immigrants trapped there against their will. Very democratic and very humanistic indeed.

......and is not the European Culture Bicommunal?

[/quote]

The original and true European culture is Graeco-Roman and nothing else. It never had muslim/asian cultural elements in it. But the societies of the former colonial European countries, with their stupid policies, have managed to become bicommunal and tricommunal etc. But that was and is their own fault and problem. And I don't see why this serious problem should be spread to the rest of Europe as well. And the funny thing is that some of the former colonial European countries, Britain mainly, are causing even today, in cooperation with the USA, the waves of immigration from Asian and African countries with their wars and the social and economical instability and the ethnic and religious animosities and conflicts which their policies and their expansionism cause. Illegal immigration is their baby. They and their citizens should deal with it. Not the rest of us.

[kurupetos]

Hi Kurupetos,

How is that going to make the 'go back to Pakiland...running', I mean how ever bad a Greek prison is do you think it will scare them away? they have had to come a long hard road from some very nasty places you might have to deport them. As they can only be deported to the last country they were in I guess they will try again from Turkey.

I suspect this a cost the Greek state can do without - give they EU passports and watch them head to Germany/UK/Netherlands etc. Good bit of revenge on the stingy Northerners...

Hi Mr MGCN, I hope 'G' doesn't stand for 'gay' (usually atheism-homosexuality-pseudocommunism-jewphilia-pedophilia-antihellenism go hand in hand ). I hate reposting old thoughts, but since you're new to CF, here goes a brief summary...

1. The illegal immigrant is arrested.
2. The authorities give him/her two choices: (a) return to his/her country; (b) left him/her to perish.
3. Third countries are allowed to provide him/her political asylum if they wish.

P.S. I have nothing against other Europeans, and do not wish to trash their countries just because some Pakis are trashing mine.

[MGCN]

no the G is not gay they are just my initials.

I agree with you first act of arresting them, number 2 though is a possible problem go home or die - Greece would rapidly fall foul of EU/ECHR law with that offer so we are stuck with deportation or prison.

As both deportation or prison are costly and Greece hasn't the funds at the present Greece needs to focus the minds of the Northern countries on this problem, after all Greece is the front line, the north tends to forget this, and, in my view, does not do enough to support Greece on this - hence the passport idea, of course it might not be needed but is a useful bargaining chip in requesting EU funds "look at all these immigrants we need to look after" so of thing.

[repulsewarrior]

The European culture is bicommunal, and becoming more so every day. Its inevitable and in the long run necessary for the safety of the world

WTF?

...wow, there's a hornet's nest, i just searched for, bicommunal definition, scary proposition.

...easier to say, in my hypothesis, (thus the manifesto), that it does not have a definition yet, although given the Cypriot premise: there is a State, represented by its Good Government and Sovereign, while there exists as well Cypriot Constituencies. one would expect each of these Constituencies to better sustain their Distinct Identity independently, one would also expect these electors to represent themselves as Individuals, Citizens of a Country, equal without distinction or discrimination, when as Voters demonstrating their unity toward a wider set of Universal Principals, for-which they Identify themselves as Cypriots.

if indeed Cyprus resolves to be a Cypriot State, it is the end of the Greek State in that like other National identities within this State, they become equals as Constituencies, having as electors a Territorial Jurisdiction which allows for their self-representation, as Persons. stop here and mathematically, just look at the dazzling array of possibilities, not unlike the European context and State.

...additionally, a Cypriot State, being Bizonal, allows for many parts (geographically) (and what about the living relics of Maronites, etc.), because its Sovereignty is inalienable, and for Justice Seen, a return for some as they were forced to leave, as Communities; there, is Grace. dare i say it, osmosis. the return to a state where what is natural colloids.

...and what about Israel and Palestinians, why not Jerusalem a City, and the Capital of three Governing Bodies, not just "Jews" and "Arabs", but a body of Citizens for a Unified State. ((this too Ghadfi's thoughts, amazingly) but who cares to mention what Bicommunal (and Bizonal) means to the Turks, who by being Kurd or Armenian are not "Turkish" enough).

[repulsewarrior]

indeed, kurupetos, the Greek diaspora is everywhere across the world, and they are considered warm and loving as well as tenatious. even the greatness of Greece as a People in adversity (defending themselves against Facists many times over) favours this choice to someone very very hungry (and sad), and who may know something from learning. and as i have already told you, learning Greek is a ticket out by boat, as a Mariner, still is and has been for at least 400 years.

P.S. I have nothing against other Europeans, and do not wish to trash their countries just because some Pakis are trashing mine.

...one may resist the future, and we may adapt, it may be a problem in Greece, propably because it is a European problem.

[wyoming cowboy]

This is the basis for whats going on in the world today. Very simplistic but makes some sense

and here is recent evidence of what the physics man is talking about. In the near future the Eu will be able to veto individual countries' budgets...For instance if Cyprus goes over it alloted budget the Eu can force Cyprus to bring things to Eu standards.....

here is an example i think that relates to what the professor is talking about

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ad222a9a ... abdc0.html

[kurupetos]

Greece would rapidly fall foul of EU/ECHR law with that offer so we are stuck with deportation or prison.

Point out this law.

As both deportation or prison are costly and Greece hasn't the funds at the present Greece needs to focus the minds of the Northern countries on this problem, after all Greece is the front line, the north tends to forget this, and, in my view, does not do enough to support Greece on this - hence the passport idea, of course it might not be needed but is a useful bargaining chip in requesting EU funds "look at all these immigrants we need to look after" so of thing.

Only a fool would provide Illegal immigrants with Greek passports to flood Europe, because many more millions would come over if they realised Greece is their ticket to Europe. Didn't you think of that?

Also what you suggest is violation of the Dublin II regulation, which Greece signed.

The only option is what I suggested.