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[Lordo]

So we understand by your response that as usual you have no real answer, just leave things to luck and hope for the best....in short nothing will be done and the TC will rapidly become a second class citizens among GCs.

No, you don't understand shit, because what you are asking is not what happens in Federal country. If you live in the north state as most TC would do, then the TCs would have ZERO business to do anything with the government of the south state for anything. The north state is where they will conduct all their state business, which will be mainly in Turkish. If any TCs would choose to live in the south state, then those TCs would only deal with the south state and would have nothing to do with the north state. Same would be for the GCs other way around.

Federal Government offices will be located all over the island and would ONLY deal with Federal matters, which would have people working from across all ethnic groups, so that is your answer to your non question.

I dont think you really understand this two state lark kiks baby. what do you mean cypriots living in the north will have nothing to do with the state in the south. of course they will. they may will decide decide that. there will be no law preventing it. if you are talking about voting yes i agree but how can you say - [i]TCs would have ZERO business to do anything with the government of the south state for anything [/i]- of course they will. for a start they may have land there which they did not sell and thats just for starters. you are confusing this with two independent states. and even than a person from one state has business in another.

i think it is back to political and democracy school for you my friend. i dont know where you are living but it cant be in the eu. you are not in kazakstan by any chance are you.

[wyoming cowboy]

So we understand by your response that as usual you have no real answer, just leave things to luck and hope for the best....in short nothing will be done and the TC will rapidly become a second class citizens among GCs.

No, you don't understand shit, because what you are asking is not what happens in Federal country. If you live in the north state as most TC would do, then the TCs would have ZERO business to do anything with the government of the south state for anything. The north state is where they will conduct all their state business, which will be mainly in Turkish. If any TCs would choose to live in the south state, then those TCs would only deal with the south state and would have nothing to do with the north state. Same would be for the GCs other way around.

Federal Government offices will be located all over the island and would ONLY deal with Federal matters, which would have people working from across all ethnic groups, so that is your answer to your non question.

I dont think you really understand this two state lark kiks baby. what do you mean cypriots living in the north will have nothing to do with the state in the south. of course they will. they may will decide decide that. there will be no law preventing it. if you are talking about voting yes i agree but how can you say - [i]TCs would have ZERO business to do anything with the government of the south state for anything [/i]- of course they will. for a start they may have land there which they did not sell and thats just for starters. you are confusing this with two independent states. and even than a person from one state has business in another.

i think it is back to political and democracy school for you my friend. i dont know where you are living but it cant be in the eu. you are not in kazakstan by any chance are you.

they probably wouldnt have anything to do with the one or the other, except if they choose to do so...thats where the problem is, the Turks want to keep things separate and in apartheid conditions while the freedom loving Greeks want the citizens of Cyprus to have choices...

[wyoming cowboy]

how come this thread doesnt go straight to the top threads?

[Lordo]

how come this thread doesnt go straight to the top threads?

it is not the turks kiks baby is saying that which is unbelievable coming from a pretend cypriot who pretends to believe in democracy and human rights and all that jaz except when it comes to tcs asking for them. he just says go to eu courts. that really takes the biscuit.

[repulsewarrior]

...we get service from government, 90% comes from your Municipality, did you know that?

i think that the speculation vp made invites a conversation not directly linked to this fact.

in a Federal State, it is more than likely that you would get served, in any Office, whether it is of the State, or the Constituencies, and even Municipalities, in just one language. it is natural in a Democracy, especially one as complex as the Cypriots', for the Majority to represent their Good Will, for themselves first, but with a recognition and respect to their Minorities' special needs. the check and balance remains our own sense of being a People because there is a means to express ourselves, as ourselves, and as Peoples.

what if there is a Turkish Constituency, a Republic, and a Greek Constituency? what if there were many Cypriot Constituencies?

...vp, it is likely in a Federal Office in the south a Civil Servant would greet you in Greek first, it is natural that the same service, at another branch in the north, would answer in Turkish. one would naturally expect English to be available as a service too. being a crossroad for three Continents the important question is, how can we harness this potential we as a population have to facilitate social-exchange with the 90% of the world whose mothertongue is not English?

[wyoming cowboy]

how come this thread doesnt go straight to the top threads?

it is not the turks kiks baby is saying that which is unbelievable coming from a pretend cypriot who pretends to believe in democracy and human rights and all that jaz except when it comes to tcs asking for them. he just says go to eu courts. that really takes the biscuit.

Lordo, what are you talking about man, thats where the problem is you guys dont want democracy or human rights we are ready to protect both.....with the umbrella of the Eu as a protector and guarantor of democracy and human rights in Cyprus.....If you think the Eu doesnt have any control in European countries then take a look at Greece,Cyprus, Italy and Spain and the effects Eu policies have had on these countries the past 4 years....

[kimon07]

A TC visits a government office in a united Cyprus in the south the signs are all in Greek and the lady at the help desk speaks very little if any English and absolutely no Turkish. What happens next? What responsibilities does the south state have and what will be the procedure for the TC to follow?

As I have told you one thousand times, the RoC (no such thing as "south state") has responsibilities ONLY towards those of the inhabitants of the island who are, feel and behave like its citizens, by accepting and respecting it and by abiding by its laws. All others are foreigners and should be treated as such. And foreigners must speak the language of the country which they visit and try to do business or whatever. For instance, the Cypriots and other people of foreign origin who travel and live in England have to communicate in English with the English authorities. Don't they? Haven't heard of non British citizens being hired by the British government in government offices just in order to be able to communicate in foreign languages with foreigners. Have you?

So you want equal citizen rights do you? Well, undertake and accept equal citizen obligations first. Denounce the illegal regime, become a citizen, pay taxes to the RoC etc. And then we can talk.

P.S. The lady in the government office who dared try to communicate with that foreigner in English should be fired immediately.

[kimon07]

A TC visits a government office in a united Cyprus in the south the signs are all in Greek and the lady at the help desk speaks very little if any English and absolutely no Turkish. What happens next?

And another thing. Your hypothetical question is, as usual, the result of a very twisted way of presenting things. If the island WAS united it goes without saying that there would be bilingual clerks in all CENTRAL gevernment offices. Unless, of course, according to the constitution, there would be only ONE official language, like in the US, for instance and in Turkey. Do they speak Kurdish in the Turkish government offices?? Huh? Or Spanish in the USA offices? Or Welsh in the English?

[bill cobbett]

A TC visits a government office in a united Cyprus in the south the signs are all in Greek and the lady at the help desk speaks very little if any English and absolutely no Turkish. What happens next?

And another thing. Your hypothetical question is, as usual, the result of a very twisted way of presenting things. If the island WAS united it goes without saying that there would be bilingual clerks in all CENTRAL gevernment offices. Unless, of course, according to the constitution, there would be only ONE official language, like in the US, for instance and in Turkey. Do they speak Kurdish in the Turkish government offices?? Huh? Or Spanish in the USA offices? Or Welsh in the English?

Coincidently Kimon, this morning had to visit the CY High Commission here in London, a CY chap in front of me, one associated with the Occupied Areas, a turkish-speaker, was being helped by one of the Commission staff in his own language... and helped very efficiently, respectfully and nicely.

[repulsewarrior]

A TC visits a government office in a united Cyprus in the south the signs are all in Greek and the lady at the help desk speaks very little if any English and absolutely no Turkish. What happens next?

And another thing. Your hypothetical question is, as usual, the result of a very twisted way of presenting things. If the island WAS united it goes without saying that there would be bilingual clerks in all CENTRAL gevernment offices. Unless, of course, according to the constitution, there would be only ONE official language, like in the US, for instance and in Turkey. Do they speak Kurdish in the Turkish government offices?? Huh? Or Spanish in the USA offices? Or Welsh in the English?

Coincidently Kimon, this morning had to visit the CY High Commission here in London, a CY chap in front of me, one associated with the Occupied Areas, a turkish-speaker, was being helped by one of the Commission staff in his own language... and helped very efficiently, respectfully and nicely.

...dignity