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The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

Seeing that we are still discussing the same issue only goes to show how stupid you continue to be, you cannot close anything you do not have such a right. Contradictions contradictions, your slurred explanation stating that the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally but continue to say that the GCs unilaterally entered the EU against the will of the TCs who have veto rights, you mumble on about the majority of GCs have no power because they have so many political parties avoiding the real issue of political manipulation to the benefit of the majority against the will of the minority, whatever you say cannot brush aside that in your "democracy" the 80% if they wish can do anything they want without the consent of the 20%, in your previous posts you complain about what the Turks do to the Kurds yet you try to force the same on us, you are a biased hypocrite of the worse kind, dangerous to the core. Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof and we all know the reason for that you want to hand Cyprus to the GCs on a silver platter reducing us to a silenced minority with no power and no effective say in our own country.

[Viewpoint]

...lordo, that is not fair. Denktash was sited by every SG of the UN for 35 consecutive years, as the person who single handedly prevented any progress on the Cyprus Problem to occur. and yet, single handedly, he opened the gates.

i think he begged Talat to agree for a delay, like TPap, because it was not the good deal, for Cyprus.

...would you vote for a version unseen, i too, do not think version 5 is credible for that reason alone.

...furthermore, Annan said himself, after the result, that it was a proposal of his, and not the UN's, that it too is as easily removed from the table; one thing it did prove though, Cypriots chose to vote for the Sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, whether yes or no, for their island as a People as/of Peoples.

Albeit it divided and destined to remain the same for your lifetime and many generations to come.

[repulsewarrior]

...doubtful, vp.

[Viewpoint]

...doubtful, vp.

Optimisim is a good thing but when it comes to the Cyprus divide and continued despot attitude of GCs you can be assured that nothing will chnage in our live times or even that of our children.

[Lordo]

...lordo, that is not fair. Denktash was sited by every SG of the UN for 35 consecutive years, as the person who single handedly prevented any progress on the Cyprus Problem to occur. and yet, single handedly, he opened the gates.

i think he begged Talat to agree for a delay, like TPap, because it was not the good deal, for Cyprus.

...would you vote for a version unseen, i too, do not think version 5 is credible for that reason alone.

...furthermore, Annan said himself, after the result, that it was a proposal of his, and not the UN's, that it too is as easily removed from the table; one thing it did prove though, Cypriots chose to vote for the Sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, whether yes or no, for their island as a People as/of Peoples.

no rw in 1972 when dengtash and turkey and clerides agreed to the 13 amendments and you cant be fairer than that it was makarios who refused it. when varosa was offered in 77 for no other condition then the gcs to join the peace talks it was also refused. if you go back to the very first plan to the last the gc leadership has refused all of them including the first one where it gave only 95% to gcs.

each one of these agreements got slightly worse than the one before. we have no reached the situation where turkey does not feel she needs to compromise. the game is over i am afraid. the gc did not even bluff once the turkish plan to see how sincere she was about peace and on top of that we have gifted her 37%.

The only thing remaining now is for all the tcs who have land in the south claim their land back.

[repulsewarrior]

...two things,

if the debate remains an issue between "Greeks" and "Turks", the same error will occur with the same result.

...frankly the first ethnic cleansing occured here, in Cyprus, before the term was coined.

it is about defining the word State, and the word Nation, more clearly. it is about putting into focus our concepts of Identity, and how to define Person, when we are a World of Individuals: this is the question.

secondly, lordo, what is said on a world stage does not compare to what is allegedly offered or refused. and i can say that neither party is innocent in their zeal for votes in their own elections.

indeed if landowners could organise themselves as the Communities they were, it will be a powerful lever. it may mean that reciprocally the Turkish authority in this manner, can demonstrate the same goodwill to a Greek Community. but in the end, as Constituencies, Greek, or Turkish, they will not represent Cypriots as Cypriots, a Republic will represent all Citizens as such.

[Kikapu]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

Seeing that we are still discussing the same issue only goes to show how stupid you continue to be, you cannot close anything you do not have such a right.

CASE is CLOSED, because you are a Partitionist at Heart, therefore you will not accept anything else, but unfortunate for you, you will not achieve your goal, therefore CASE CLOSED!

Contradictions contradictions, your slurred explanation stating that the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally but continue to say that the GCs unilaterally entered the EU against the will of the TCs who have veto rights, you mumble on about the majority of GCs have no power because they have so many political parties avoiding the real issue of political manipulation to the benefit of the majority against the will of the minority, whatever you say cannot brush aside that in your "democracy" the 80% if they wish can do anything they want without the consent of the 20%, in your previous posts you complain about what the Turks do to the Kurds yet you try to force the same on us, you are a biased hypocrite of the worse kind, dangerous to the core.

You are talking nonesense again with a lot of gibberish.

First of all, when the TCs left the government in 1963 and since then refuse to take part in the RoC's government, as well as Denktash agreeing on BBF, by default, the 1960 constitution is is "Dead & Buried" and you are still talking about TCs having a Veto right, specially when Turkey occupies northern Cyprus where ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs has occurred in the north as well as you sitting on stolen GC land. Are you for real? In any case, Denktash nor Turkey objected in Cyprus becoming an EU member, did they? Denktash just did not take part in it, that's all. Turkey wanted Cyprus in the EU as a package deal with the AP. Only once the game was up on the AP and what Turkey would have done with the AP that got an OXI vote, is when Turkey began to complain. It was very clear from the beginning that Cyprus would enter into the EU regardless what the outcome of the AP was and everyone was very clear on that, including the TCs and Turkey. Turkey did not get what she wanted with the AP, but the TCs became EU citizens along with other Cypriots and they are not complaining about it and the fact that they are getting their EU passports from the RoC is the proof. People like you who are sitting on stolen GC land did not want Cyprus to be in the EU, because it meant you could not keep your stolen loot. The fact that you have your British Passport and is already an EU member which is good for you, you would want to deny the same to other TCs in the north by wanting Cyprus out of the EU. Hypocrite! Under BBF as I gave you Kikapu's plan, the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally by anyone. You should educate yourself a little on how a True Federation works.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof and we all know the reason for that you want to hand Cyprus to the GCs on a silver platter reducing us to a silenced minority with no power and no effective say in our own country.

You really do not fully comprehend the written English language, do you, and your above statement makes that abundantly evident.

This is what I wrote.

Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws

Now, compare to what I wrote to what you understood on what I wrote, which is as far as you can get, which was this.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof

You should really ask Lordo to help you with your English. He claims to have a High School Diploma. Sounds like he has more than what you have.

[Lordo]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

Seeing that we are still discussing the same issue only goes to show how stupid you continue to be, you cannot close anything you do not have such a right.

CASE is CLOSED, because you are a Partitionist at Heart, therefore you will not accept anything else, but unfortunate for you, you will not achieve your goal, therefore CASE CLOSED!

Contradictions contradictions, your slurred explanation stating that the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally but continue to say that the GCs unilaterally entered the EU against the will of the TCs who have veto rights, you mumble on about the majority of GCs have no power because they have so many political parties avoiding the real issue of political manipulation to the benefit of the majority against the will of the minority, whatever you say cannot brush aside that in your "democracy" the 80% if they wish can do anything they want without the consent of the 20%, in your previous posts you complain about what the Turks do to the Kurds yet you try to force the same on us, you are a biased hypocrite of the worse kind, dangerous to the core.

You are talking nonesense again with a lot of gibberish.

First of all, when the TCs left the government in 1963 and since then refuse to take part in the RoC's government, as well as Denktash agreeing on BBF, by default, the 1960 constitution is is "Dead & Buried" and you are still talking about TCs having a Veto right, specially when Turkey occupies northern Cyprus where ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs has occurred in the north as well as you sitting on stolen GC land. Are you for real? In any case, Denktash nor Turkey objected in Cyprus becoming an EU member, did they? Denktash just did not take part in it, that's all. Turkey wanted Cyprus in the EU as a package deal with the AP. Only once the game was up on the AP and what Turkey would have done with the AP that got an OXI vote, is when Turkey began to complain. It was very clear from the beginning that Cyprus would enter into the EU regardless what the outcome of the AP was and everyone was very clear on that, including the TCs and Turkey. Turkey did not get what she wanted with the AP, but the TCs became EU citizens along with other Cypriots and they are not complaining about it and the fact that they are getting their EU passports from the RoC is the proof. People like you who are sitting on stolen GC land did not want Cyprus to be in the EU, because it meant you could not keep your stolen loot. The fact that you have your British Passport and is already an EU member which is good for you, you would want to deny the same to other TCs in the north by wanting Cyprus out of the EU. Hypocrite! Under BBF as I gave you Kikapu's plan, the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally by anyone. You should educate yourself a little on how a True Federation works.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof and we all know the reason for that you want to hand Cyprus to the GCs on a silver platter reducing us to a silenced minority with no power and no effective say in our own country.

You really do not fully comprehend the written English language, do you, and your above statement makes that abundantly evident.

This is what I wrote.

Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws

Now, compare to what I wrote to what you understood on what I wrote, which is as far as you can get, which was this.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof

You should really ask Lordo to help you with your English. He claims to have a High School Diploma. Sounds like he has more than what you have.

you little liar. show me where i claimed that. i notice you have not said your level of education. interesting.

[Kikapu]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

Seeing that we are still discussing the same issue only goes to show how stupid you continue to be, you cannot close anything you do not have such a right.

CASE is CLOSED, because you are a Partitionist at Heart, therefore you will not accept anything else, but unfortunate for you, you will not achieve your goal, therefore CASE CLOSED!

Contradictions contradictions, your slurred explanation stating that the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally but continue to say that the GCs unilaterally entered the EU against the will of the TCs who have veto rights, you mumble on about the majority of GCs have no power because they have so many political parties avoiding the real issue of political manipulation to the benefit of the majority against the will of the minority, whatever you say cannot brush aside that in your "democracy" the 80% if they wish can do anything they want without the consent of the 20%, in your previous posts you complain about what the Turks do to the Kurds yet you try to force the same on us, you are a biased hypocrite of the worse kind, dangerous to the core.

You are talking nonesense again with a lot of gibberish.

First of all, when the TCs left the government in 1963 and since then refuse to take part in the RoC's government, as well as Denktash agreeing on BBF, by default, the 1960 constitution is is "Dead & Buried" and you are still talking about TCs having a Veto right, specially when Turkey occupies northern Cyprus where ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs has occurred in the north as well as you sitting on stolen GC land. Are you for real? In any case, Denktash nor Turkey objected in Cyprus becoming an EU member, did they? Denktash just did not take part in it, that's all. Turkey wanted Cyprus in the EU as a package deal with the AP. Only once the game was up on the AP and what Turkey would have done with the AP that got an OXI vote, is when Turkey began to complain. It was very clear from the beginning that Cyprus would enter into the EU regardless what the outcome of the AP was and everyone was very clear on that, including the TCs and Turkey. Turkey did not get what she wanted with the AP, but the TCs became EU citizens along with other Cypriots and they are not complaining about it and the fact that they are getting their EU passports from the RoC is the proof. People like you who are sitting on stolen GC land did not want Cyprus to be in the EU, because it meant you could not keep your stolen loot. The fact that you have your British Passport and is already an EU member which is good for you, you would want to deny the same to other TCs in the north by wanting Cyprus out of the EU. Hypocrite! Under BBF as I gave you Kikapu's plan, the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally by anyone. You should educate yourself a little on how a True Federation works.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof and we all know the reason for that you want to hand Cyprus to the GCs on a silver platter reducing us to a silenced minority with no power and no effective say in our own country.

You really do not fully comprehend the written English language, do you, and your above statement makes that abundantly evident.

This is what I wrote.

Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws

Now, compare to what I wrote to what you understood on what I wrote, which is as far as you can get, which was this.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof

You should really ask Lordo to help you with your English. He claims to have a High School Diploma. Sounds like he has more than what you have.

you little liar. show me where i claimed that. i notice you have not said your level of education. interesting.

Lordo, you are correct and I apologize. You did not say you have a High School Diploma. You said you have a Primary School Diploma.

I guess I was giving you more credit than you deserved. Unfortunately it makes your friend VPs a lot less intelligent, requiring even more work on his English.

i have a primary school diploma can you beat that.
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[Viewpoint]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

Seeing that we are still discussing the same issue only goes to show how stupid you continue to be, you cannot close anything you do not have such a right.

CASE is CLOSED, because you are a Partitionist at Heart, therefore you will not accept anything else, but unfortunate for you, you will not achieve your goal, therefore CASE CLOSED!

Contradictions contradictions, your slurred explanation stating that the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally but continue to say that the GCs unilaterally entered the EU against the will of the TCs who have veto rights, you mumble on about the majority of GCs have no power because they have so many political parties avoiding the real issue of political manipulation to the benefit of the majority against the will of the minority, whatever you say cannot brush aside that in your "democracy" the 80% if they wish can do anything they want without the consent of the 20%, in your previous posts you complain about what the Turks do to the Kurds yet you try to force the same on us, you are a biased hypocrite of the worse kind, dangerous to the core.

You are talking nonesense again with a lot of gibberish.

First of all, when the TCs left the government in 1963 and since then refuse to take part in the RoC's government, as well as Denktash agreeing on BBF, by default, the 1960 constitution is is "Dead & Buried" and you are still talking about TCs having a Veto right, specially when Turkey occupies northern Cyprus where ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs has occurred in the north as well as you sitting on stolen GC land. Are you for real? In any case, Denktash nor Turkey objected in Cyprus becoming an EU member, did they? Denktash just did not take part in it, that's all. Turkey wanted Cyprus in the EU as a package deal with the AP. Only once the game was up on the AP and what Turkey would have done with the AP that got an OXI vote, is when Turkey began to complain. It was very clear from the beginning that Cyprus would enter into the EU regardless what the outcome of the AP was and everyone was very clear on that, including the TCs and Turkey. Turkey did not get what she wanted with the AP, but the TCs became EU citizens along with other Cypriots and they are not complaining about it and the fact that they are getting their EU passports from the RoC is the proof. People like you who are sitting on stolen GC land did not want Cyprus to be in the EU, because it meant you could not keep your stolen loot. The fact that you have your British Passport and is already an EU member which is good for you, you would want to deny the same to other TCs in the north by wanting Cyprus out of the EU. Hypocrite! Under BBF as I gave you Kikapu's plan, the constitution cannot be changed unilaterally by anyone. You should educate yourself a little on how a True Federation works.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof and we all know the reason for that you want to hand Cyprus to the GCs on a silver platter reducing us to a silenced minority with no power and no effective say in our own country.

You really do not fully comprehend the written English language, do you, and your above statement makes that abundantly evident.

This is what I wrote.

Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws

Now, compare to what I wrote to what you understood on what I wrote, which is as far as you can get, which was this.

Then you end on a real high saying that the 2 states cannot be equal to each other under a federal roof

You should really ask Lordo to help you with your English. He claims to have a High School Diploma. Sounds like he has more than what you have.

Your English must be your second language as we can all see how confused and fumbled your posts are, you have no clarity and contradict yourself at every turn. Why dont you admit you have no counter arguments so you have started the well know your English is not up to scratch game to deflect from your own ignorance. People are not stupid and can see right through you biased GC butt licking posts, get a grip man for as long as you GCs continue with the mindset you display you make me the happiest man alive as you do not have the intelligence to understand that in fact you are not promoting reasons for unity but the real reason why we need to stay divided, thank you.