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[Me Ed]

That's not what will happen.

I guess it's easier for you divide the electorate between GC and TC, but in a democracy the real political division is left wing and right wing. You will remember that the TMT exterminated left-wing TCs during the troubles just because they rose above the ethnic and racist agendas of others.

What will actually happen is that if the TCs choose to participate in the democratic process and voted left wing or right wing instead of wasting their vote on an ethnic agenda, they will be the political king makers in Cyprus because the GC votes will cancel each other out.

Therefore any political party will be foolish to ignore the TCs, because their chances of re-election will be zero.

[Viewpoint]

That's not what will happen.

I guess it's easier for you divide the electorate between GC and TC, but in a democracy the real political division is left wing and right wing. You will remember that the TMT exterminated left-wing TCs during the troubles just because they rose above the ethnic and racist agendas of others.

What will actually happen is that if the TCs choose to participate in the democratic process and voted left wing or right wing instead of wasting their vote on an ethnic agenda, they will be the political king makers in Cyprus because the GC votes will cancel each other out.

Therefore any political party will be foolish to ignore the TCs, because their chances of re-election will be zero.

Hello this is the GC majority we are talking about, answer me this one simple question, can the GCs use their 80% weight to elect whom ever they wish even a party that supports enosis if they wanted????? YES or NO will do.

[Me Ed]

That's not what will happen.

I guess it's easier for you divide the electorate between GC and TC, but in a democracy the real political division is left wing and right wing. You will remember that the TMT exterminated left-wing TCs during the troubles just because they rose above the ethnic and racist agendas of others.

What will actually happen is that if the TCs choose to participate in the democratic process and voted left wing or right wing instead of wasting their vote on an ethnic agenda, they will be the political king makers in Cyprus because the GC votes will cancel each other out.

Therefore any political party will be foolish to ignore the TCs, because their chances of re-election will be zero.

Hello this is the GC majority we are talking about, answer me this one simple question, can the GCs use their 80% weight to elect whom ever they wish even a party that supports enosis if they wanted????? YES or NO will do.

That's like asking can the Turkish electorate use their numbers to elect a party that supports the expulsion of Kurds from Turkey?

The answer is technically yes, but in reality it will never happen.

[Viewpoint]

That's not what will happen.

I guess it's easier for you divide the electorate between GC and TC, but in a democracy the real political division is left wing and right wing. You will remember that the TMT exterminated left-wing TCs during the troubles just because they rose above the ethnic and racist agendas of others.

What will actually happen is that if the TCs choose to participate in the democratic process and voted left wing or right wing instead of wasting their vote on an ethnic agenda, they will be the political king makers in Cyprus because the GC votes will cancel each other out.

Therefore any political party will be foolish to ignore the TCs, because their chances of re-election will be zero.

Hello this is the GC majority we are talking about, answer me this one simple question, can the GCs use their 80% weight to elect whom ever they wish even a party that supports enosis if they wanted????? YES or NO will do.

That's like asking can the Turkish electorate use their numbers to elect a party that supports the expulsion of Kurds from Turkey?

The answer is technically yes, but in reality it will never happen.

So the answer is YES, how can you expect us to take such a risk knowing full well the real intentions of GCs.

[Kikapu]

That's not what will happen.

I guess it's easier for you divide the electorate between GC and TC, but in a democracy the real political division is left wing and right wing. You will remember that the TMT exterminated left-wing TCs during the troubles just because they rose above the ethnic and racist agendas of others.

What will actually happen is that if the TCs choose to participate in the democratic process and voted left wing or right wing instead of wasting their vote on an ethnic agenda, they will be the political king makers in Cyprus because the GC votes will cancel each other out.

Therefore any political party will be foolish to ignore the TCs, because their chances of re-election will be zero.

Hello this is the GC majority we are talking about, answer me this one simple question, can the GCs use their 80% weight to elect whom ever they wish even a party that supports enosis if they wanted????? YES or NO will do.

That's like asking can the Turkish electorate use their numbers to elect a party that supports the expulsion of Kurds from Turkey?

The answer is technically yes, but in reality it will never happen.

So the answer is YES, how can you expect us to take such a risk knowing full well the real intentions of GCs.

The answer is a NO, because the agreed constitution that will be in place as part of a settlement will not allow such a law to be passed, and should it be passed, it will be deemed to be unconstitutional and therefore rejected by the courts as well as the EU. In order to change the constitution, overwhelming majority from each Federal state would need to approve it, as the examples I have given you in "Kikapu's BBF Plan". Your scaremongering scenarios are worthless, because it has no reality to them, specially with a strong central Federal government in Cyprus. Why do you think slavery cannot be brought back in the USA? Could it be because it is constitutionally illegal by the Federal Government and the Federal Constitution. The fact that you supported the Racist AP in 2004, only goes to show you do not want protection for all Cypriots by a strong Federal government, but instead Racist policies made by individual states. You cannot be trusted with such racist powers, specially when you are supporting Racists policies in the north right nowCASE CLOSED!

[Viewpoint]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

[Kikapu]

The case is not closed just because kikpooo says so, the answer is clearly YES thats why you are jumping up and down, the known racists one sided GCs are well known for manipulating "democracy" to their benefit and if given the opportunity to use their 80% majority advanatage they will use it to the full to force TCs out of any effective say in their own future. You know this full well thats why you want us believe you covered it in your sell out plan. You can form the lets elect a GC monkey party and get it elected as long as you got enough GC monkeys to vote for it....thats the risk you want to force TCs into, sick real sick.

CASE is CLOSED!

It only goes to show how very little you know how a True Federation works, or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. You are only good at spreading worthless propaganda, even then it's only second rated. Who cares what the 80% GCs want for Cyprus if majority of them are living in the south state. They cannot change the constitution without the consent of the overwhelming majority of those living in the north state. First of all, if all the GCs are in one frame of mind, why do they then have so many political parties in the south. Secondly, just who do you think your imaginary 80% GCs would want to have Enosis with? Cyprus already have Enosis with 26 other EU nations and more to come in the future, if Cyprus agrees to it also, even with Turkey, if and when they get their act together, maybe by 2023! Thirdly, is it not the purpose of BBF to have each state to be political equal to the other under the Federal Government where Federal laws are supreme to state laws, so what you spout is nothing but pure crap. You have been listening to Erdogan for far too long by the looks of it.

[repulsewarrior]

...vp, you have a choice, (two examples, Kikapu's and mine), it shows that it is possible to keep Cyprus one whole.

now, please, join me in any one of my manifesto topics.

...one racist is too many, but if that is your point, why limit the discussion to "Greeks", if anything it is the "Turks" that are more dangerous, they live amongst you, they tarnish Turkishness; don't ou think?

[Lordo]

why do you insult people when you post. do you think you win the argument. I think not. only succeed in making an ass of yourself. on top of that what you say has no value, zilch get it.

it really is very simple.

What do you mean by true democracy, are you happy with the true democracy the kurds have. one man one vote right. becasue thats what you are asking for right. well guess what your true democracy is really a fixed term dictatorship. It does not work in any country. you will find that there are abused and abusers in all of them. some will be on racial grounds other on political. so stop with this true democracy lark as it does not exists anywhere on the planet. and it certainlt will not exists in cyprus whilst the fascists have control on power in politics and the media. do something usefull will you and go make a cup of turkish coffee that may calm you down some, otherwise you is headin for a heart attack you hear.

I respect those who show respect towards me, otherwise, they end up wearing their asses as a hat!

Since you pretend not to know what True Democracy means, just so that for you not to criticize Turkey with their so called "Democracy", then let me just say, True Democracy in the form of EU Principles, which Turkey does not practice. The fact that you have supported the failed Annan Plan in 2004, only goes to show what Democracy means to you, which is somewhere between what the Blacks had in the USA before the 70's to what the Blacks had in South Africa before the 90's. This is your idea of Democracy to the vast majority of Cypriots. I'm surprised you did not also ask for slavery to be included in the AP, since you had already accepted Apartheid, Racism, Fascism, Democratic and Human Rights violations. I guess maybe you are not a such bad guy after all!

respect has to be earned my friend.

when it comes to your true democracy - 5 year dictatorship i have already described it and said no thank you, not this time. not never. you can keep your 5 year dictatorships and their the masters they serve. when it comes to the annan plan, greece eu usa un and uk acepted it so it was not exactly how you describe it. the eu reprepresentative realised what the media and the president were doing to the vote and asked to be allowed air time and guess what your true democrats said no. can you believe it. while letting the president cry on tv begging people to vote no and the same time the archbishop telling people that those who vote yes will go to hell. whilst the yes voters are ridiculed by the chair in the debates on tv. have you witnessed such politic anywhere in the eu. i suspect not. true democracy you say with a straight face i may add. either you are a fool or the most dishonest person in the world. i suspect the latter.

interestingly a form of slavery does exist in our true democratic banana republic try talking to some of the domestic workers from the far east and see how they get treated in the banana republic.

but what was the message of the vote exactly. vote no now and once in eu we will have a better deal. well have you had a better deal. i get a feeling it is getting worse. shame.
but never mind lets just continue as is and gift 37 percent of our land to turkey shall we.
onward and upward my friends.

[repulsewarrior]

...lordo, that is not fair. Denktash was sited by every SG of the UN for 35 consecutive years, as the person who single handedly prevented any progress on the Cyprus Problem to occur. and yet, single handedly, he opened the gates.

i think he begged Talat to agree for a delay, like TPap, because it was not the good deal, for Cyprus.

...would you vote for a version unseen, i too, do not think version 5 is credible for that reason alone.

...furthermore, Annan said himself, after the result, that it was a proposal of his, and not the UN's, that it too is as easily removed from the table; one thing it did prove though, Cypriots chose to vote for the Sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, whether yes or no, for their island as a People as/of Peoples.