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[theodosia]

Looking at it from that angle, as a soldier you are by law under orders, but even then the citizens (regardless of war) are still protected are they not?
From the little knowledge that i have about the war, it was the Germans that were starving and blaming the Jews for the economic state of the country.
And so it started the beginning of a world war.
What i found interesting was how the queen (who was a Jew?) changed the royal family's name to windsor. So if we look back through history the Jews have always had a lot of power, hidden or otherwise.
why are the Jew's so wealthy? All the big film makers stem back to a Jew, it maybe worth a google( also invented my a jew) to see how over the history of time where in the scheme of things they accumulated so much power and wealth.
what do you lot think?

[GreekIslandGirl]

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Queen is Jewish - certainly she isn't a practicing Jew within the Church of England. But her lineage is German and that was why the Royal family changed their name between WWI and WWII. Queen Victoria was certainly patriotically German and all her German cousins, children, grandchildren etc ruled and rule the whole of Europe - but that didn't stop her putting Greta (Great) Britain and its Empire first and foremost even when in direct competition with other countries ruled by her nearest and dearest. Her role as monarch of the British Empire was never compromised by soft feelings for relatives or their countries.

- So we have here an example of high regard for one's duties above one's personal feelings ...

[As for the Jews - I find them extremely articulate and funny. They are mostly of above average intelligence - a trait which may have been selected for through their having been persecuted for so long. ]

[theodosia]

ahh yes! Thank you greekisland girl, not so good in the morning.
I think that ( looking back in history) if we look at queen elizabeth had her own cousins( Mary queen of Scots) head chopped off so the kings and queens are well known for welding the powers they have
As for the jews, they are well educated we have them to thank for the many achievements that we still benefit from today.
ALBERT EINSTEIN
SIGMUND FREUD
KARL MARX
JOHAS SALK (POLIO VACCINE)
And many others.

[supporttheunderdog]

I am not at all convinced by the inclusion of Karl Marx or Sigmund Frued in the list, neither of whom seem to have had ideas that work in practice.

[Schnauzer]

I HAD hoped that the opening verses would not attract any comments BUT, realising the sensitivity of the subject, perhaps I should have known better.

Unfortunately I am currently unable to spend a great deal of time corresponding and therefore must 'Fill in' whenever the opportunities present themselves, such matters that HAVE been raised in response to the initial paragraphs, might well be easier to discuss upon completion since the composition in it's entirety may present other points worthy of discussion. (imho)







'Eichmann'

"It's all a part of a fine old game, to 'Perdition' with the 'Jews',
'Eradicate them, 'Exterminate' them, deal with them how we choose,
I was empowered and, like it or not, I had a job to do that was ordered to be done and had to be done at the expense of the 'Jew'.

I do not wish to make excuse or hide the great 'Disgrace', that only through the 'Loss of Cause' now hangs upon my race,
I stand 'Accused', YOU question ME, how bold you have become, why, only two decades ago you squirmed beneath my 'Thumb'.


'The Thumb'

I am of great significance to ALL the ways of 'Man', I cannot ever be replaced, I 'Exonerate' or 'Damn',
it was 'I' (and you may thank me now) who first gave you the joy,
of eating food both 'Hot' and 'Cooked', for, once upon a 'Boy' who just had made his savage kill, returning to his camp,
cut up the 'Beast' and left the pieces by a 'Fiery Lamp.
The camp did eat, but not the 'Boy', for off he went to boast and when he hungered did return, his piece of 'Meat' was 'Roast'.
"Reward Indeed1" the savage cried "No food for MY return" then, casting out the sizzling 'Meat', his 'Thumb' the 'Boy' did burn.

"Great Thunder" cried the angry 'Boy' and to alleviate the pain, he placed his 'Thumb' into his mouth, withdrew, then placed again.
Before the camp (who thought him mad) he fell upon the 'Meat' and, juices dripping from his chin, did eat and eat and eat.


'Eichmann'

"I stand condemned, as yet 'Untried' but doomed by fate I'm sure, I am in 'Awe' at what I've heard from they, the 'Just' the 'Pure',
they seek to 'Martyr' fallen Man and openly proclaim, that were I not the 'Pincer' things would not have been the same,
the fools, who do they fool but themselves ?, I say without a 'Quirk' that I could find a thousand more who envied me my work.
Who of they who 'Judge' me now could state and not have doubt, that were they given orders would refuse to see them out ?.

Of course there always will be those who probably would say, that they would certainly refuse to act in such a way BUT,
I was given a 'Job' to do and undertook the task, I was not concerned who 'Ordered' it, I didn't even ask.
I was a 'GOD' among conquered 'Foe', an evil 'GOD' it seems BUT, where then was the 'Righteous GOD' midst all these deathly schemes ?.


'The Righteous GOD'
"
I am I am and I know ALL, I watch, take stock, decide, I have compassion on the 'Souls' of ALL who ever died,
I did not 'Act', you wonder 'Why', you even question 'ME',
I am I am and I know ALL but THIS, I did not see!"

'Eichmann'

"My trial begins, the 'Judges' ask, will I confirm my guilt ?,
will I condemn the the 'Master Mind' whose world was almost built !
How do I 'Plead' ?, a 'Jew' asks ME, 'Plead ?, I plead not at all. I can scarcely speak to one who's place is 'Face toward the Wall'.

The insolence they now do show, why, not so long ago, they would have licked my dirty boots if I had told them so,
these 'Judges', do you know , at times I had a deal of 'Fun' when I made them shoot each other down whilst I held not a 'Gun,
they even dug their 'Brother's' graves and stood and watched them die and like helpless 'Pigs', fell to the ground to grovel and to cry,
beseechingly they looked at me, each one bent on his own as if to say "Kill ALL my 'Brothers' but please leave ME alone !".

Such was the 'Jew' through 'Aryan Eyes', deserving of no thought, deserving only as they got, the 'Lesson' that we taught,
I do believe from within my soul, that I did nothing wrong, like cutting down a useless 'Weed' to make the Sound Plants' strong.

Therefore I must refuse to 'Plead', instead I will exclaim that given just the merest chance, I would do the same again !".

'The Judges'

"We have before us a 'Guilty Man' BUT, as befits our cause, we must impersonally 'Try' this 'Master Spawn of Wars',
to satisfy the 'Terms of Law' and as we have no 'Plea', make an entry of 'Not Guilty' and the world the 'Trial will see.

The 'Jurors' have been chosen well, each from a different 'Race' (except of course 'Aryans' for whom there is no place)
they will, in time, take leave and retire, confirming that which 'WE' (of position placed a little higher) know what the 'Word' will be BUT,
let us hasten now to add that whatsoever we do we are of course, though 'Jewish Stock', ALL of 'Impartial View'.

This 'Trial' is held at great expense to many of our 'State' BUT, the 'World -wide Rights' on 'Closed T.V' will more than compensate,
indeed, these very walls were built to accommodate the 'Flow' of 'Tourists', 'Exhibitionists' and others, feeling SO decidedly against the 'Accused,
that THEY would gladly slay HE that slew so many and will live to rue the day.

The 'Accused' is seated in a 'Bullet-proof Dome', a necessity we thought, as his safety is of great concern to all who have 'Spent' and 'Bought' BUT,
silence now, enough is said, for fear we have implied that already we 'Invert the Thumb' before the case is 'Tried' "

'The Thumb'

"Invert the Thumb', I take my 'Cue' and bring a time to mind when 'Thumbs Inverted' brought great pain to those of 'Christian Kind',
I was 'Enthroned', my 'Empire' strong, my place in life secure, yet I had the 'Whim' to persecute the 'Righteous' and the 'Pure',
the 'Pure' indeed !, those 'Christian Dogs' know not they what they do ?, they try to undermine my 'Will' and deem our 'Gods' untrue.

Yet Oh the sport I have with them before my people's eyes, I raise my head, the crowd appeals, 'Thumbs Down', a 'Christian' dies OR,
if a 'Prisoner' feels so inclined and wants to save his skin, he can deny his 'Firm Beliefs' and thus condemn his 'Kin',
become a 'Gladiator' (the life is fine) and he can torment and slay, the Hundreds' and the 'Thousands' that are captured every day.
I sometimes tire of the 'Human Fights', not quite enough 'Mayhem', so 'Christians' fighting 'Lions' as they have their 'Feast of them Or,
If the day is darkened, or my feelings at a loss, then, 'Screaming Christians' are a pleasing sight, nailed to a 'Flaming Cross'.

Oh Hail 'Great Caesar' thou 'King of Kings', upon YOUR head a 'Crown BUT, 'I' have power over 'Life and Death' turned 'UP' or pointed 'Down'".

[Schnauzer]

'Eichmann'

"My mind confused, my senses numb,I come to realise,
that the endless stream of questions asked by those before my eyes
have been asked so many times before of 'Men' who in such power, have passed sentence upon other 'Men' and set their final hour.

Was Caesar wrong ?, a question now which I think needs much thought, yet, others answer readily, that ALL the suffering brought,
upon defenceless people by this 'Evil Scheming Man' was 'Monstrous', 'Diabolical', 'Inhuman' and they damn,
'HE' whose very 'Throne' was under threat from those he slew,
try NOW to think a 'Caesar's Thought' and find what YOU would do.

If 'Ants' offend, or 'Flies' or 'Rats' or ANY other 'Lower Life', it must be punished,
made to 'Pay' for the trouble and the strife that their very presence causes whosoever they alarm
and 'Death' is the 'Solution', lest the 'Vermin' do more harm.

So it was the 'Lot' of the 'Christians', so it was the 'Lot' of the 'Jews', so it is the 'Lot' of 'Flies'
the 'Lesser Will' MUST lose.

The difference between 'Fly' and 'Man' is very plain to see, But,
if 'Men' were 'Flies' and 'Flies' were 'Men', where would YOUR allegiance be ?,
a 'Man' thinks only as a 'Man', a 'Fly' thinks as a 'Fly',
each acts accordingly, 'Right or Wrong' and HERE I must imply
that no 'One Person', no 'One Group' nor no 'One World' of 'Men',
can make a 'Right' that is 'Right' for ALL and taking up a 'Pen',
can form on paper 'Codes and Rules' that 'Justly' will devise,
a 'System' whereby 'Fairness' spreads o'er 'Men','Ants', 'Rats' and 'Flies'.

Which 'Man' among the multitudes can stand before me now
and deny that he's killed 'Flies' and 'Ants' OR having done can 'Vow'
that he can feel 'Compassion' for those creatures he has slain
and can beg for their forgiveness and will never 'Kill' again ?,
I say that NONE among us can make statements such as these,
we ALL kill those we consider 'Pests' so WE may live at ease.

Herewith, a 'Lesson' I have taught which surely you must see,
that as the 'Ant' is unto YOU, the 'Jew' was unto ME'
a 'Pest', a 'Problem' a source for 'Hate' within me, so intense
that NONE could stop my awful 'Plan' to rid this 'Pestilence'
which I viewed as 'Leeches' sucking blood and I warred upon the 'Leech'
as surely and relentlessly as the 'Sea' wars on the 'Beach'.

I saw the 'Jew', not as a 'Man' but as a THREAT to 'Men'
who had fought and died for their rights as such, who would fight and die again".

'The Ant'

"I am an 'Ant', my 'Dignity' is something that I prize
above the gift of 'Life' itself and he who questions 'Dies'.

It is my 'Right' to wage my 'Wars' and ANY who offend
my 'Code' of life, my ardent 'Plans', I'll fight until my end,
my race is 'Red' and WE are the strong, WE are the 'Nobler Breed'
it is our 'Duty', sworn from birth, to slay the 'Darker Creed'.

We do not question 'Right' or 'Wrong' when marching on our 'Foe'
not one among us may retreat, for onward we must go
till ALL before us lay prostrate, defeated 'neath our might,
then on again to 'New Frontiers' continuing the fight.

There is no 'Mercy', non exempt, the conflict consumes ALL
till maybe WE will meet defeat, beneath the 'Black' to fall,
we hold no 'Truce', no holds are barred, we know not 'Fear' or 'Pain',
to fight the 'Black' or only use, to 'DIE' or fight again.

And so it is the 'Lot' of the 'Ant', we live to strike our blow,
let 'Man' condemn us if he will for only 'Time' will show
whether or not our 'Cause' is 'Just' should WE fulfill our 'Aim'
ALL 'Ants' within our 'Kingdoms' will be 'Red' or 'Black', the SAME.

This surely is the 'Quest' of 'Man' ,to have one 'Race' supreme ?,
Well, WE of the 'Ants' now wish YOU well in the pursuit of YOUR dream"

[Schnauzer]

'The Jew'

" The prisoner speaks in 'Parables', his answers are so vague,
he speaks of 'Jews' with a marked contempt as though he speaks of 'Plague'.

We have no doubt that he feels the 'Jaws of Justice' clamping down
upon the evils of his past yet, NO regret is shown,
neither from the words of his thin drawn lips, nor expressed in his cold grey eyes,
his 'Mind' is blank, his 'Ears' are deaf, he cannot hear the cries
of the tortured souls of the multitudes that fell within his power,
who were 'Lashed' and 'Starved', then 'Gassed' and 'Burned' in the place where the 'Smoke Stacks' tower.

Those very 'Souls' do cry out NOW for 'Justice' and a place,
where we may 'Honour our 'Past', our 'Dead', a 'Homeland' for our race,
so hold this trial in 'Israel' , our new found tiny 'State'
and let us bend our backs in toil to rise above the 'Hate'
that STILL exists upon this world which, though soaked in 'Blood and Tears'
has learned little 'Love' for 'Ibrahim's Kind' in the past four thousand years.

Oh 'Abraham*', whose seven wells were dug in desert sand,
who taught the 'Faith' of 'Yahweh's' love when first came to this land,
how think you NOW of all the years of 'Suffering' and 'Pain' ?,
of 'Dispersal', of 'Oppression' YET, we rose time and again.

Look now upon our 'Promised Home', observe the 'Fertile Fields',
where, (in YOUR time) deserts stretched, the 'Plant' and 'Fruit Tree' yields
it's 'Harvest Crops' abundantly, the 'Soil' gives up it's wealth,
the 'People' prosper, whilst they live in 'Hope', in 'Peace', in 'Health'.

We speak of 'Peace' yet still we feel the pressure and the 'Hate'
that 'Countries' bordering our own, have shown toward our 'State',
OH, could it be that in the years ahead that 'Hate' will rise once more
and WE will 'Scatter' once again as we have done before,
OR, could it be that NOW at last, 'Yahweh's WILL' will be ?,
for, spake he unto 'Abraham' :- "And I will give to THEE
and to THY 'Seed' after THEE,
ALL the lands of 'Canaan' for an everlasting Possession"

God Willing"...............(*'Abraham' and 'Ibrahim' are the same person).

(Time for a little 'Claret' perhaps ?)

[theodosia]

I am not at all convinced by the inclusion of Karl Marx or Sigmund Frued in the list, neither of whom seem to have had ideas that work in practice.

maybe true?, but both are well known and are used often in education as a point of reference when talking about politics or psychiatrist a great talking point though

[Schnauzer]

'Eichmann'

The age old fear, will they surmount the 'Troubles' they now face, will they be left in peace at last, to work and take their place
among the other 'Nations' of the world in which they trade, OR, will they fall again beneath the 'Sword of Conquest's blade'' ?.

I am a curse upon the 'Jew', an ever present 'Claw', which sleeps as though forgetting till, awakening as before,
it smashes ALL that has been built and leaves those that remain, to wail in desperation as they wander forth again.

If I should die, my 'Body' would join with the countless 'Dead', but the 'Curse' would free itself and find another in my stead,
for the 'Curse' which rests within me now is the same that dealt the blow, which brought 'Famine' and drove out the 'Jew', four thousand years ago".

'The Jew'

"Enslaved we entered 'Egypt', there in chains to live our days, always praying for 'Deliverance' to 'HE' who moves in such strange ways.

Oppressed we were for centuries, until 'Redemption' came, in the form of one called 'Moses' (*) who took charge and in the 'NAME''
of 'HE' (our 'Yahweh') led us on into the 'Promised Land' and received the 'Ten Commandments' written by our 'God's own hand.

Such 'Miracles' we saw performed, such 'Wonders' of such might, that brought to our lives the will to 'Live', to raise us up and 'Fight',
for our place among ALL others and, in perfect 'Unity',to 'Rejoice' in being of the 'Jews', to stand with 'Dignity'.

E'er to our 'Home' we 'Twelve Tribes' came to face the 'Wars' we fought, we first crowned 'Saul' (to rule as 'King') and the 'Harmony' he brought,
helped us to battle as 'One Force', for these were 'Troubled Times', when we were often at the mercy of 'the Philistines.

It was at THIS time that 'David' (who became our second 'King'), fought the Philistine 'Goliath' armed with only 'Stone and Sling',
he challenged and met this fearsome 'Giant' with 'Faith' and a will to 'TRY', with 'Trust' in our 'God' he sent his missile to the 'Giant's ' eye,
the 'Monster' fell, his lifeless form now helpless in the dust, caused the 'Philistines' to flee the land and justified the 'Trust'
that 'David' placed upon the mighty 'God', who takes our arm, to lead us through the 'Darkness', through the 'Danger', out of 'Harm'.

(*) "In fond memory of my old and faithful friend"

[Schnauzer]

'The Thumb'

"Well I recall that fateful day when 'Armies' stood apart, to allow the single conflict of the 'Giant Counterpart' of 'Satan' and a 'Shepherd's Son' who held a single stone, yet stood within the 'Jaws of Hell' quite fearless and alone.

How loudly jeered the 'Philistines' when 'David' raised his arm, how could a 'Boy', against such might do even the slightest harm
to their unvanquished 'Champion' with 'Sword' and 'Spear' and 'Shield', who had battled with a hundred Men and forced them all to yield ?.

The fanfare sounded, the 'Giant' haunched his shoulders to attack, for 'David' there seemed little hope but he could not turn back,
a 'Spear' was hurled, a 'Sword' withdrawn and brandished in the air, whilst a 'Shepherd Boy's Sling' whirled like the wind before the 'Giant's glare.

A 'Thumb' gripped tight the 'Leather Thong' which tantalised the 'Beast', at our 'God, Yahweh's' own command the 'Thumb' the 'Thong' released,
straight as an arrow the pebble flew and smashed the 'Giant's' brain, he screamed a 'CURSE' as he fell to the ground and 'Satan's Spawn' was slain.

Oh, mighty is the 'Thumb' of 'Man', it brought such complete joy, to a people freed from chastisement by the 'Thumb' of a 'Shepherd Boy' !".