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The hate venom and revenge seeking comments we read on this forum from GCs towards the TCs makes you question why they want to unite? Is it land? power? or a way to get back at TCs and make them pay for 1974?

Any ideas?

[Lordo]

vp it is not as simple as that. greek cypriot scociety is one a single unit. amongst them exist some of the most fascit to the most decent people. and a few fools in the midle who are easily folled by the patriotic murmurings.

i have no doubt that most of the greek cypriots do genuinely want peace and coexistance on the island and is willing to compromise to make it possible. but when the whole of the media with the exception of one newspaper is in the hands of the fanatic eoka sympathisers peace is not getting nearer. the real question is will they wake before it is too late or will they sleepwalk into two state solution. i am hedging my bets towards the second choice if the posts on this forum is anything to go by.

[Sotos]

What we want is to take back our land that you stole from us. I mean really VP... how stupid can you be to even ask such question? You stole our land so we hate you for this and we want our land back. When you return it then we might forgive you and stop hating you. You really don't need to be Einstein to understand this now do you? If we loved you for stealing our land and we didn't want it back ... well then we would need our heads examined. Like Bananiot for example. He has serious psychological issues... one of which is call the Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.[1][2] The FBI’s Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 27% of victims show evidence of Stockholm Syndrome.

That would explain the 24% of GCs that voted for Annan plan.

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So the fanatics like Sotos only think of the problem as land and feeling that it was stolen from them so they have to get it back to feel their thirst for revenge has been relinquished. Its has nothing to do with wanting to unite with TCs who alos have rights to this country, the narrow vision of most only allows them to think along individual property rights which imo should be respected where physically possible once an over solution has been found. Isnt there a more important issue of safety and coexsistence, people seem to think that just getting rid of the Turkish Army everything will OK but its not that simple, the get rid of your security mentality only breeds more insecurity and mistrust which inturn leads to demands of checks and balances any other country would look at as being unnecessary.
What if the 2 state solution was placed on the table where GCs got 12% back had every right to their lost land where physically possible or compensation which remained in the North?

[Kikapu]

So the fanatics like Sotos only think of the problem as land and feeling that it was stolen from them so they have to get it back to feel their thirst for revenge has been relinquished. Its has nothing to do with wanting to unite with TCs who alos have rights to this country, the narrow vision of most only allows them to think along individual property rights which imo should be respected where physically possible once an over solution has been found. Isnt there a more important issue of safety and coexsistence, people seem to think that just getting rid of the Turkish Army everything will OK but its not that simple, the get rid of your security mentality only breeds more insecurity and mistrust which inturn leads to demands of checks and balances any other country would look at as being unnecessary.
What if the 2 state solution was placed on the table where GCs got 12% back had every right to their lost land where physically possible or compensation which remained in the North?

How would the GC be able to exercise their so called rights in the north to their properties and life in general after a "2 state solution" when they will not have any political say so and would be at the mercy of Turkey's policies who would in fact be in control of the north as well as be in a position to annex it legally with the approval of those living in the north with a referendum? In case you haven't noticed, the Illegal Alien Turks are the majority in the north and not the TCs, so all your talk of 2 state solution with land give back would NOT solve the problem for the GCs. They will end up losing 25% of their country to Turkey legally with further threats in the future to the remaining 75%. The fact that you and Turkey reject a True Democracy through True Federation for Cyprus under EU Principles, only goes to show that you and Turkey cannot be trusted . The above principles has ALL the checks & balances you talk about, but that's all you do, just talk about it. What you want is no such thing in a democratic system, but more like a system where you will be able to get rid of all the GCs from the north and keep their properties in your kind of "2 state solution and checks and balances", and then you wonder why the GCs do not want ta 2 state solution, but rather a True Federation system with 2 states, much like the USA system.

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Kikapoo again you totally misunderstand what is being said, a 2 state solution as in 2 different countries where the GCs can claim back their properties where physically possible or recieve compensation if their properties remain in the 25%. Why is you see no problem with forcing us to live under GC rule and not the other way around the GCs can move to the recognized TRNC get their land back and share the same rights as me, whats wrong with that?

[Kikapu]

Kikapoo again you totally misunderstand what is being said, a 2 state solution as in 2 different countries where the GCs can claim back their properties where physically possible or recieve compensation if their properties remain in the 25%. Why is you see no problem with forcing us to live under GC rule and not the other way around the GCs can move to the recognized TRNC get their land back and share the same rights as me, whats wrong with that?

I did not miss anything. I know when you talk about 2 state solution you mean 2 countries, hence your rejection of a True Federal Democratic system of 2 states.

In a Democratic Federal system the TCs will not be living under a GC rule you nincompoop, but under Federal laws and Federal constitution agreed on by all sides as part of settlement. I have already given you a plan how it would work. Each state will run their own states with their own laws, and if the north is a majority TCs, then they will run their own affairs withing the Federal laws guidelines. This would mean of course, that you cannot kick the GCs out and keep their properties under this system, but you will do just that in your idea of 2 country states system. Your intentions are well known as well as Turkey's.

[B25]

After all he is a "Partionist at Heart"

[Kikapu]

After all he is a "Partionist at Heart"

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoo again you totally misunderstand what is being said, a 2 state solution as in 2 different countries where the GCs can claim back their properties where physically possible or recieve compensation if their properties remain in the 25%. Why is you see no problem with forcing us to live under GC rule and not the other way around the GCs can move to the recognized TRNC get their land back and share the same rights as me, whats wrong with that?

I did not miss anything. I know when you talk about 2 state solution you mean 2 countries, hence your rejection of a True Federal Democratic system of 2 states.

In a Democratic Federal system the TCs will not be living under a GC rule you nincompoop, but under Federal laws and Federal constitution agreed on by all sides as part of settlement. I have already given you a plan how it would work. Each state will run their own states with their own laws, and if the north is a majority TCs, then they will run their own affairs withing the Federal laws guidelines. This would mean of course, that you cannot kick the GCs out and keep their properties under this system, but you will do just that in your idea of 2 country states system. Your intentions are well known as well as Turkey's.

Your sell out plan was exactly that it left us exposed to manipulation and exploitation gifting the whole island to the GCs on a plate, we have discussed this many times and once your real intentions had been exposed this plan was rejected. Now lets get this straight with 80% of the population being GCs and the open door of taking the necessary 1 seat required to rule the whole island we will not be under GC rule, your more stupid than I had intially thought. The text book "Federal laws and Federal constitution " "Democracy and Human Rights" you chant is what we cannot agree so how on earth do you think we can apply what we cant agree, it will be doomed to failure.

Why do you want to gift control of the whole island to the GCs? why are you against our guaranteed contribution in a federal structure? Why are you so against partition where it would be a clean start for all? Why is it that you think GCs are better than us? Why do you want them to have their own country and not us? And why do you want to force us to give up 100% of the island when all we want is to share 25% 75%, where neither side will be forced to put up with other or fear hidden agendas? We have to be honest neither side wants to unite as one country BBF with political equality is the compromise but all you want to do is give the Gcs a free hand to democratically do as they wish even unite with Greece, back to square one, were you part of the eoka terrorists?