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[Kikapu]

Kikapoo again you totally misunderstand what is being said, a 2 state solution as in 2 different countries where the GCs can claim back their properties where physically possible or recieve compensation if their properties remain in the 25%. Why is you see no problem with forcing us to live under GC rule and not the other way around the GCs can move to the recognized TRNC get their land back and share the same rights as me, whats wrong with that?

I did not miss anything. I know when you talk about 2 state solution you mean 2 countries, hence your rejection of a True Federal Democratic system of 2 states.

In a Democratic Federal system the TCs will not be living under a GC rule you nincompoop, but under Federal laws and Federal constitution agreed on by all sides as part of settlement. I have already given you a plan how it would work. Each state will run their own states with their own laws, and if the north is a majority TCs, then they will run their own affairs withing the Federal laws guidelines. This would mean of course, that you cannot kick the GCs out and keep their properties under this system, but you will do just that in your idea of 2 country states system. Your intentions are well known as well as Turkey's.

Your sell out plan was exactly that it left us exposed to manipulation and exploitation gifting the whole island to the GCs on a plate, we have discussed this many times and once your real intentions had been exposed this plan was rejected. Now lets get this straight with 80% of the population being GCs and the open door of taking the necessary 1 seat required to rule the whole island we will not be under GC rule, your more stupid than I had intially thought. The text book "Federal laws and Federal constitution " "Democracy and Human Rights" you chant is what we cannot agree so how on earth do you think we can apply what we cant agree, it will be doomed to failure.

Why do you want to gift control of the whole island to the GCs? why are you against our guaranteed contribution in a federal structure? Why are you so against partition where it would be a clean start for all? Why is it that you think GCs are better than us? Why do you want them to have their own country and not us? And why do you want to force us to give up 100% of the island when all we want is to share 25% 75%, where neither side will be forced to put up with other or fear hidden agendas? We have to be honest neither side wants to unite as one country BBF with political equality is the compromise but all you want to do is give the Gcs a free hand to democratically do as they wish even unite with Greece, back to square one, were you part of the eoka terrorists?

You don't know what the hell you are talking about and I don't have the time to keep educating you.

I stand with all those who want to keep 100% of Cyprus for ALL Cypriots. Does that answer your question?

It was Denktash who agreed to a BBF with political equality in a Federal system, so blame Denktash and not me. Federal system is designed to join the 2 states at the hip so that there is no chance of partition or a cessation of one state from the Federal Union. The fact that you and Turkey want a Confederation system only shows where your true intentions are, as the case was with the Annan plan. You have 2 options, either the BBF as in Federation of 2 states north and south with full democracy and human Rights with EU principles for everyone, or a Unitary state, also with the above principles. In any case, forget about my plan from now on, because you were too slow to accept it and the GCs are not going to offer the Rotating Presidency in the future negotiations, so there goes your built in Veto Power. The EU is also never going to give any part of Cyprus to Turkey, not even 5%, let alone 25%, not with all that potential fuel sitting beneath the sea floor of the coast of Cyprus.

[Lordo]

BBF was dengtash who agreed with it but it was makarioses idea kikapu. which bit of this sentence do you have difficulty with. So was seperate local authorities. it was also makarios who having asked for it then wanted to reverse it. it was dengtas and turkey who also agreed to the makarios 13 point ammedment and the reduction of the tcs power to 20% and it was also again makarios who refused his own request. which bit of this piece of history do you have difficulty with. for god sake man open your furkin eyes and ears.

All the tcs have to do now is ask for unitary state and watch greeks cypriots refuse it. tsuros je gunduros.

i have no doubt in a few years the tcs will ask for unitary state very very soon.

[Kikapu]

BBF was dengtash who agreed with it but it was makarioses idea kikapu. which bit of this sentence do you have difficulty with. So was seperate local authorities. it was also makarios who having asked for it then wanted to reverse it. it was dengtas and turkey who also agreed to the makarios 13 point ammedment and the reduction of the tcs power to 20% and it was also again makarios who refused his own request. which bit of this piece of history do you have difficulty with. for god sake man open your furkin eyes and ears.

All the tcs have to do now is ask for unitary state and watch greeks cypriots refuse it. tsuros je gunduros.

i have no doubt in a few years the tcs will ask for unitary state very very soon.

Of course it was Makarios's idea on the BBF. So what? Denktash signed the agreement, so what's your question exactly?

There are less than 100,000 TCs in the north, including their children and spouses from Turkey or elsewhere. The GCs will accept the Unitary state with a new constitution in a second with full EU principles. Forget about the rest of the illegal aliens in the north to be counted as TCs. Even if some of them are allowed to stay, they will not become Cypriots, but remain as foreigners with permits to live on the island with no voting rights.

[Lordo]

BBF was dengtash who agreed with it but it was makarioses idea kikapu. which bit of this sentence do you have difficulty with. So was seperate local authorities. it was also makarios who having asked for it then wanted to reverse it. it was dengtas and turkey who also agreed to the makarios 13 point ammedment and the reduction of the tcs power to 20% and it was also again makarios who refused his own request. which bit of this piece of history do you have difficulty with. for god sake man open your furkin eyes and ears.

All the tcs have to do now is ask for unitary state and watch greeks cypriots refuse it. tsuros je gunduros.

i have no doubt in a few years the tcs will ask for unitary state very very soon.

Of course it was Makarios's idea on the BBF. So what? Denktash signed the agreement, so what's your question exactly?

There are less than 100,000 TCs in the north, including their children and spouses from Turkey or elsewhere. The GCs will accept the Unitary state with a new constitution in a second with full EU principles. Forget about the rest of the illegal aliens in the north to be counted as TCs. Even if some of them are allowed to stay, they will not become Cypriots, but remain as foreigners with permits to live on the island with no voting rights.

if you need the point explained i am afraid your credit has just run out.

100,000 tcs you say. interesting. well good luck with the removbal of the others. but you will have a long wait becasue even the un does not see these people as settlers any more. thay have been in cyprus for 3 generations. there are not going anywhere. trust me.

[Kikapu]

BBF was dengtash who agreed with it but it was makarioses idea kikapu. which bit of this sentence do you have difficulty with. So was seperate local authorities. it was also makarios who having asked for it then wanted to reverse it. it was dengtas and turkey who also agreed to the makarios 13 point ammedment and the reduction of the tcs power to 20% and it was also again makarios who refused his own request. which bit of this piece of history do you have difficulty with. for god sake man open your furkin eyes and ears.

All the tcs have to do now is ask for unitary state and watch greeks cypriots refuse it. tsuros je gunduros.

i have no doubt in a few years the tcs will ask for unitary state very very soon.

Of course it was Makarios's idea on the BBF. So what? Denktash signed the agreement, so what's your question exactly?

There are less than 100,000 TCs in the north, including their children and spouses from Turkey or elsewhere. The GCs will accept the Unitary state with a new constitution in a second with full EU principles. Forget about the rest of the illegal aliens in the north to be counted as TCs. Even if some of them are allowed to stay, they will not become Cypriots, but remain as foreigners with permits to live on the island with no voting rights.

if you need the point explained i am afraid your credit has just run out.

100,000 tcs you say. interesting. well good luck with the removbal of the others. but you will have a long wait becasue even the un does not see these people as settlers any more. thay have been in cyprus for 3 generations. there are not going anywhere. trust me.

They are not becoming Cypriots either to have a voting rights even if ALL the illegals were to remain, which they will not be able to or else there will not be a solution nor will Turkey ever have a chance to join the EU. The illegals are Turkey's problem to sort out and not the RoC's!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoo you are wrong again 2nd 3rd generation people born in the TRNC will stay and get the vote, check the EU laws and you will see that after 5 years of residency the right to citizen rights has to be accepted this will be part aansd parcel of an overall agreement. So we will be demanding a uniatry state in about 5-10 years time, with democracy and human rights for all of course.

[halil]

The hate venom and revenge seeking comments we read on this forum from GCs towards the TCs makes you question why they want to unite? Is it land? power? or a way to get back at TCs and make them pay for 1974?

Any ideas?

have u read this....the attitudes of 106 Greek Cypriots toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants on Cyprus.

http://coe.georgiasouthern.edu/foundati ... hology.pdf

[Kikapu]

Kikapoo you are wrong again 2nd 3rd generation people born in the TRNC will stay and get the vote, check the EU laws and you will see that after 5 years of residency the right to citizen rights has to be accepted this will be part aansd parcel of an overall agreement. So we will be demanding a uniatry state in about 5-10 years time, with democracy and human rights for all of course.

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, because there are many legal and illegal aliens in the EU countries who are not citizens are not allowed to vote, and when you take into an account that the "trnc" is not even under the EU laws,it doesn't matter how many generations the Illegal Aliens are in the north, they will not become Cypriots with voting rights, except for the ones the RoC is willing to accept, so go ahead and demand Unitary state all you want!

I don't see you laughing now!

[Lordo]

Kikapoo you are wrong again 2nd 3rd generation people born in the TRNC will stay and get the vote, check the EU laws and you will see that after 5 years of residency the right to citizen rights has to be accepted this will be part aansd parcel of an overall agreement. So we will be demanding a uniatry state in about 5-10 years time, with democracy and human rights for all of course.

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, because there are many legal and illegal aliens in the EU countries who are not citizens are not allowed to vote, and when you take into an account that the "trnc" is not even under the EU laws,it doesn't matter how many generations the Illegal Aliens are in the north, they will not become Cypriots with voting rights, except for the ones the RoC is willing to accept, so go ahead and demand Unitary state all you want!

I don't see you laughing now!

considering roc has not had any influency of how the tcs are governed since 1963 what on earth makes you think they will now. ohps i forgot you are not from this earth. you cant be.

if they want unification they will have to accept their responsibility of driving tcs out of cyprus and pay the price. otherwise it will be two states. capish my friend.

[Kikapu]

Kikapoo you are wrong again 2nd 3rd generation people born in the TRNC will stay and get the vote, check the EU laws and you will see that after 5 years of residency the right to citizen rights has to be accepted this will be part aansd parcel of an overall agreement. So we will be demanding a uniatry state in about 5-10 years time, with democracy and human rights for all of course.

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, because there are many legal and illegal aliens in the EU countries who are not citizens are not allowed to vote, and when you take into an account that the "trnc" is not even under the EU laws,it doesn't matter how many generations the Illegal Aliens are in the north, they will not become Cypriots with voting rights, except for the ones the RoC is willing to accept, so go ahead and demand Unitary state all you want!

I don't see you laughing now!

considering roc has not had any influency of how the tcs are governed since 1963 what on earth makes you think they will now. ohps i forgot you are not from this earth. you cant be.

if they want unification they will have to accept their responsibility of driving tcs out of cyprus and pay the price. otherwise it will be two states. capish my friend.

So what's stopping you from forming the Two States since 1963?

The present situation is simply northern Cyprus being under foreign occupation by Turkey, no matter how much you want to believe the north is a state!

It is only a fairy tale, that by kissing a frog, that will turn itself into a handsome Prince.

It might give you a buzz and get you a little high by kissing/licking a frog, but that's all it will do.