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[Me Ed]

I don't buy this argument that there is no such thing as a Cypriot ethnicity, simply because we are nothing like the people in Greece, DNA included.

After years of being told by my parents, the Greek school and Church that I am "Greek", I didn't realise I was not Greek at all until I actually met some Greeks and later on went to Greece (mainland and some 10 islands including Crete and Rhodes).

The terms Greek and Turkish Cypriot have two basic purposes.

Firstly they denote our language and religion and not our ethnicity which is uniquely Cypriot.

Secondly, they are labels used by the British and Turkey to pigeon-hole us and in the case of the British to maintain the status quo so they can keep their bases and by Turkey in an attempt to formally partition the island.

[GreekIslandGirl]

round and round we go: certainly some of the research suggests the Majority of Cypriots can trace most of thir ancestery back to the peoples who ultimately permanantly setted the Island probably in 7000 bc or so,

For you to say the above (repeatedly), implies you have seen research which compares the DNA from skeletons of humans found to have been dwelling on the island around 7,000 BC to DNA from the present population. I would like to see that research but have not been able to find any results from such studies. [Similar in kind to Cheddar Man project and the present day locals.]

Would you please provide your original source, please, stud.

(Please note, that if an ancient unique 7,000 y.o. Cypriot haplotype has been found, and is present in some of today's population, it does not prohibit the fact that descendants may also have signs of mixing with other, later, waves of the island's inhabitants. I would be surprised if there is one sub-group of Cypriot descendants today who are still uniquely, pure and unchanged from 7,000 years ago, now still living and socially (but nothing more) mixing among us but who look ever so slightly different - perhaps a bit taller?).

[Piratis]

I don't buy this argument that there is no such thing as a Cypriot ethnicity, simply because we are nothing like the people in Greece, DNA included.

After years of being told by my parents, the Greek school and Church that I am "Greek", I didn't realise I was not Greek at all until I actually met some Greeks and later on went to Greece (mainland and some 10 islands including Crete and Rhodes).

The terms Greek and Turkish Cypriot have two basic purposes.

Firstly they denote our language and religion and not our ethnicity which is uniquely Cypriot.

Secondly, they are labels used by the British and Turkey to pigeon-hole us and in the case of the British to maintain the status quo so they can keep their bases and by Turkey in an attempt to formally partition the island.

Starting from your last point, the same aim could be achieved by using the terms "Greek Speaking Cypriots VS Turkish Speaking Cypriots" or "Christian Cypriots VS Muslim Cypriots". Any way you dice it there are differences within the population of Cyprus which can be exploited in the exact same way by foreign imperialists (offering privileges to the minority to turn them against the majority) no matter what label they give to the majority and the minority groups.

About your first point I simply disagree. I traveled to many countries and on mainland Greece and especially other Greek islands I felt we were very close. Same language, same traditions, similar cuisine etc. I also found that the people of New York are different from those in Alabama and the people in Venice are quite different from those in Napoli. Some regional differences are to be expected.

[GreekIslandGirl]

After years of being told by my parents, the Greek school and Church that I am "Greek", I didn't realise I was not Greek at all until I actually met some Greeks and later on went to Greece (mainland and some 10 islands including Crete and Rhodes).

That's because you live in the UK and you are not properly *anything*, either from Cyprus or Rhodes. You are so British - that you will feel foreign anywhere in the Med.

[Get Real!]

Well here's a fine example of adult nonsense as a result of deeply implanted propaganda:

Greeks in general can trace most of their ancestry to people that settled Greece and the Greek islands such as Cyprus from 7000BC and a lot earlier.

Piratis, why don’t you show us an official globally accepted authentic map from any date in history that depicts and labels Cyprus as a Greek island!

The vast majority of the population of Cyprus are Greek and this is how it has been for a long long time. If Cyprus is not part of the modern Greek Republic is only because our right for self-determination was denied to us by the British and the Turks, who used their armies to prevent Cyprus from being free so they could continue to exploit our island on our expense.

http://www.historynyc.com/proddetail.as ... 30-01-1919
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... groups.jpg
http://www.anesi.com/rmap2.jpg

None of the maps above were made by Cypriots or Greeks.

These are language maps labeled “race” maps or they wouldn’t include parts of Turkey! <- Are you trying to tell Turks something?

Show me a geographic map that presents Cyprus as being a Greek island under the administration of Greece!

[Get Real!]

"Cypriot" is not an official ethnicity.

So Cyprus which has constant natural borders, was part of the cradle of civilization, and has undisputed ancient settlements going back 12,000 years is NOT entitled to have a “ethnicity” but Greece which was born yesterday (1830s) does!

Get out of it!

Maybe you should show us the shop Greece went and bought her ethnicity from so we can buy one too because it seems to me someone is handing them out at good prices for political reasons

[Get Real!]

lets just agree for the sake of argumentfor a few posts, lets say all Greek cyps tomorrow renounced their ethnicity....

I wouldn't want anyone to renounce their country and/or ethnicity but I would like my people to wake up and recognize theirs!

what would be the big deal to you? and why? how would it help the cyprus problem or any other problem that exists in Cyprus today?

One can only laugh at your question here...

[Get Real!]

I traveled to many countries and on mainland Greece and especially other Greek islands I felt we were very close. Same language, same traditions, similar cuisine etc.

Greeks are one of the many Slavic tribes which occupy the Balkan region that includes Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians and Albanians… they are all the same!

Their dances are the same (round and around they go) their music is the same, their cuisine is the same, and their traditional attire is the same!

Cyprus has its own unique music, unique dancing, unique traditional attire, unique vocabulary, unique cuisine, unique customs,

There’s just no comparison between Cypriots and Balkan tribes so please!

Traditional Attire
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Cypriot
http://www.kypros.org/Folk/Costumes/Images/m51.JPG

Greek
http://wiki.phantis.com/images/thumb/a/ ... NELLES.JPG

Albanian
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... orms_1.jpg


Traditional Dancing
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Cyprus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcU-GWEVgsI

Greece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8q7ioArYm0

Albania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfdcOHE8Y3c


Piratis, I think you are CLUELESS of the true Cypriot culture because you’ve been so engrossed with Greece/Greeks that you missed it altogether!

You’re not Cypriot to me mate!


I lived the Cypriot culture where Cypriots would dance the “Drebani” (sickle) “Datcha” (sift) “Sousta”, etc, and women would dance the “Gartzilamas” (garzin-garzin means opposite each other for those who don’t understand Cypriot like you) and they had NOTHING to do with Greece dude!

[wyoming cowboy]

lets just agree for the sake of argumentfor a few posts, lets say all Greek cyps tomorrow renounced their ethnicity....

I wouldn't want anyone to renounce their country and/or ethnicity but I would like my people to wake up and recognize theirs!

what would be the big deal to you? and why? how would it help the cyprus problem or any other problem that exists in Cyprus today?

One can only laugh at your question here...

im glad you got a good laugh
you can laugh at this question too if you want
are you a neo cypriot?

[yialousa1971]

I don't buy this argument that there is no such thing as a Cypriot ethnicity, simply because we are nothing like the people in Greece, DNA included.

After years of being told by my parents, the Greek school and Church that I am "Greek", I didn't realise I was not Greek at all until I actually met some Greeks and later on went to Greece (mainland and some 10 islands including Crete and Rhodes).

The terms Greek and Turkish Cypriot have two basic purposes.

Firstly they denote our language and religion and not our ethnicity which is uniquely Cypriot.

Secondly, they are labels used by the British and Turkey to pigeon-hole us and in the case of the British to maintain the status quo so they can keep their bases and by Turkey in an attempt to formally partition the island.

Are you a expert on DNA now as well as fast food?