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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:14 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:round and round we go: certainly some of the research suggests the Majority of Cypriots can trace most of thir ancestery back to the peoples who ultimately permanantly setted the Island probably in 7000 bc or so, as parts of waves of peoples heading west from the cradle of civilisation in the Tigris and Euphrates river sytems.

The stories of Cyprus being settled by heros of the Trojan war are definitely an invention as the Greek invasion seem to have happened probably 150 years after the war ended and the myth was probably created to give the rulers a bit of cred bearing in mindsome of the heroes were allgedely descended from the Gods.


Yes, round and round indeed.

Greeks in general can trace most of their ancestry to people that settled Greece and the Greek islands such as Cyprus from 7000BC and a lot earlier. That is the case for all nations. Human beings inhabited this planet for about 100.000 years. Nations and ethnic groups have only been created the last few 1000 years, and obviously their ancestors were people who inhabited the world before the ethnic groups were created. Greeks have a 3000+ years of history in Cyprus. In comparison the English have 1500 years of history in Britain and the Turks way less in Anatolia. If you will go back 9000 years back to dispute our ethnicity, then why don't you do the same for the "English" and the "Turks"? I will tell you why: Because you are racist and you believe that you can come to our island and tell us what our ethnicity should be.
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:52 am

They will never be able to put their finger on it because it only exists in their heads!

It’s an IMAGINARY fairy tale that was systematically implanted in their brains by their figures of authority (teachers, parents, priests, politicians, who knew no better) when they were very young and would soak up anything like a sponge!

It requires a lot of intelligence to be able to shake off such deeply implanted propaganda and start thinking for your self but most just don’t have it! Not even the ridiculousness of their unsubstantiated nonsense is enough to get them thinking that there’s something terribly wrong! Such is the mental damage done to them!

The truth is that most adults that were subjected to this level of propaganda are irrevocably mentally damaged and not really worth the trouble of corrective adjustment.

Of course the youth is what’s important for the future of Cyprus and already we have made enormous progress just by having our own universities as the years spent for tertiary education are also very influential.

Since the establishment of Cypriot universities the number of Cypriot students traveling to Greece for a tertiary education has reduced to about a fifth so as you can imagine the Greek influence on the Cypriot youth has taken a serious blow!

Fantastic news for the future of Cyprus!
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:00 am

Well here's a fine example of adult nonsense as a result of deeply implanted propaganda:

Piratis wrote:Greeks in general can trace most of their ancestry to people that settled Greece and the Greek islands such as Cyprus from 7000BC and a lot earlier.


Piratis, why don’t you show us an official globally accepted authentic map from any date in history that depicts and labels Cyprus as a Greek island!
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:23 am

Me Ed wrote:Q: if I'm not Greek, what am I?

A: You're a Cypriot you idiot!


"Cypriot" is not an official ethnicity. For most people being "Cypriot" denotes the place they are coming from and not their ethnicity, in the same way you can say you are Cretan, or Paphian or Londoner. It is not about Cyprus being a country either, since we were Cypriots and Greek long before 1960.

In Cyprus the two main ethnic groups are Greek and Turkish. This is a really basic fact, it is even written in the constitution of Cyprus, and it is really surprising that somebody who claims to be Cypriot doesn't know about it.

The vast majority of Cypriots are Greek. Then there is a Turkish minority and then some smaller minorities. Beyond that feel free to declare your own ethnicity as anything you like. You can declare your ethnicity as being "Cypriot" if you want, but that wouldn't make you any more Cypriot than I am. Similarly if somebody declared his ethnicity as being "Limassolian" it wouldn't make him more Limassolian than I am.

I would suggest to give it a rest with this ethnicity dispute nonsense. Each person has its own ethnicity and others should respect this. My ethnicity is that of the majority of Cypriots which is also an official one in Cyprus. You can claim to have whatever ethnicity you want and it is fine with me no matter how obscure it sounds to me.

So, are we going to agree to respect our differences or is this nonsense going to continue? Everything that could possibly be said on the topic was already said multiple times already. So lets move on different topics and accept that we can't change the ethnicity of others and neither we should even try. OK?
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:40 am

Get Real! wrote:Well here's a fine example of adult nonsense as a result of deeply implanted propaganda:

Piratis wrote:Greeks in general can trace most of their ancestry to people that settled Greece and the Greek islands such as Cyprus from 7000BC and a lot earlier.


Piratis, why don’t you show us an official globally accepted authentic map from any date in history that depicts and labels Cyprus as a Greek island!


The vast majority of the population of Cyprus are Greek and this is how it has been for a long long time. If Cyprus is not part of the modern Greek Republic is only because our right for self-determination was denied to us by the British and the Turks, who used their armies to prevent Cyprus from being free so they could continue to exploit our island on our expense.

http://www.historynyc.com/proddetail.as ... 30-01-1919
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... groups.jpg
http://www.anesi.com/rmap2.jpg

None of the maps above were made by Cypriots or Greeks.
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:19 am

Get Real! wrote:They will never be able to put their finger on it because it only exists in their heads!

It’s an IMAGINARY fairy tale that was systematically implanted in their brains by their figures of authority (teachers, parents, priests, politicians, who knew no better) when they were very young and would soak up anything like a sponge!

It requires a lot of intelligence to be able to shake off such deeply implanted propaganda and start thinking for your self but most just don’t have it! Not even the ridiculousness of their unsubstantiated nonsense is enough to get them thinking that there’s something terribly wrong! Such is the mental damage done to them!

The truth is that most adults that were subjected to this level of propaganda are irrevocably mentally damaged and not really worth the trouble of corrective adjustment.

Of course the youth is what’s important for the future of Cyprus and already we have made enormous progress just by having our own universities as the years spent for tertiary education are also very influential.

Since the establishment of Cypriot universities the number of Cypriot students traveling to Greece for a tertiary education has reduced to about a fifth so as you can imagine the Greek influence on the Cypriot youth has taken a serious blow!

Fantastic news for the future of Cyprus!


What a load of nonsense.

Parents pass their language, culture and identity to their children and this always happens generation after generation. This is what an ethnicity is all about. How else could it be?

Cyprus for centuries was under foreign rulers and we still maintained our Hellenic identity, generation after generation, in times when we were not even allowed to have any teachers or politicians and when a free Greek state didn't even exist anywhere to produce any "propaganda".

But of course we said all these before, several times.
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:33 am

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:That's what I say also ... Cyprus should have united with Greece like all Greek islands! What some foreign fuckers did in 1960 does not make anything right. But at least they made it clear in the constitution that taking away our right for union with Greece does not mean that we are not Greek. Now the neo-Ottomans and neo-Colonialists are trying to take that from us also :roll: You can go fuck yourselves ;)

Ok, so where did you get this ethnicity from?

Did you buy it at a shop?

Was it in a fortune cookie?

Did you find it in a gobstopper?

Is it a certificate handed out to you?

Did you win it in a competition?

Did you find it lying on the floor somewhere?



lets just agree for the sake of argumentfor a few posts, lets say all Greek cyps tomorrow renounced their ethnicity....what would be the big deal to you? and why? how would it help the cyprus problem or any other problem that exists in Cyprus today?
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:44 am

halil wrote:
Sotos wrote:
halil wrote:
Sotos wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:@Soto I love you man..Ellas Kypros Enosis!!

I wouldn't go as far as enosis now... we can have two Greek states. This seems best... for now at least!


Than DO NOT BLAME THE TURKISH CYPRIOT's......at least they are asking two founder states in Cyprus....Your statement noticed not to trust you....How right our people when they are saying we are not trusting XXXXX......How right we are you are only playing with world....all your leaderships talks are only for a timebeing....as you say ''Now at least''.......

Do not complain than when you see everyday TRNC flag on the fivefingers mountains.....people like you deserved it.....(not all the GC's)......


We didn't ask you to trust us and we didn't ask you to come here! You invaded us and you came without asking us :evil: Cyprus is a Greek island and if you didn't want to live on a Greek island then you should be more careful whom you invade and where you send your settlers.


Zavalli.....

Cyprus is not Greek island....Cyprus is not Turkish island as well.... Cyprus is the motherland of the all Cypriots....Cyprus will be Federal Republic with 2 founder states at stated in the UN documents.... with single ID.....and u can not stop it.....


so you say Halil, but when Cyprus adding to its wealth of Hellenic history for over 3500 years..where were you?
Why is it such an important issue for you for the Greek Cypriots to renounce their ethnicity. For over 38 years we have been waiting for a solution and you come and tell us we deserve what we got.... Ok you have also spoken the truth, the Tc dont want a solution they are perfectly content with the status quo. There have been numerous bizonal federations that have been rejected by the Tc or may i say Turkey. Turkey rejected these proposals. The issue isnt between Greek cyps and Turk cyps its about Turkey invading, ethnically cleansing and still to this day after 38 years illegally occupying Cyprus.
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Grizos Katos » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:48 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:That's what I say also ... Cyprus should have united with Greece like all Greek islands! What some foreign fuckers did in 1960 does not make anything right. But at least they made it clear in the constitution that taking away our right for union with Greece does not mean that we are not Greek. Now the neo-Ottomans and neo-Colonialists are trying to take that from us also :roll: You can go fuck yourselves ;)

Ok, so where did you get this ethnicity from?

Did you buy it at a shop?

Was it in a fortune cookie?

Did you find it in a gobstopper?

Is it a certificate handed out to you?

Did you win it in a competition?

Did you find it lying on the floor somewhere?



lets just agree for the sake of argumentfor a few posts, lets say all Greek cyps tomorrow renounced their ethnicity....what would be the big deal to you? and why? how would it help the cyprus problem or any other problem that exists in Cyprus today?


Who told you that Cypriot can't be an ethnicity?

Do GCs and TCs share exactly the same DNA as Greeks and Turks? The answer is no. But the GCs and TCs do.

The sooner we depart from the Cyprus is Greek argument the better, otherwise there is justification in others saying that Cyprus is Turkish and that is how Turkey likes it.
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Re: Huge Greek flag raising in Paphos

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:45 am

Grizos Katos wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:That's what I say also ... Cyprus should have united with Greece like all Greek islands! What some foreign fuckers did in 1960 does not make anything right. But at least they made it clear in the constitution that taking away our right for union with Greece does not mean that we are not Greek. Now the neo-Ottomans and neo-Colonialists are trying to take that from us also :roll: You can go fuck yourselves ;)

Ok, so where did you get this ethnicity from?

Did you buy it at a shop?

Was it in a fortune cookie?

Did you find it in a gobstopper?

Is it a certificate handed out to you?

Did you win it in a competition?

Did you find it lying on the floor somewhere?



lets just agree for the sake of argumentfor a few posts, lets say all Greek cyps tomorrow renounced their ethnicity....what would be the big deal to you? and why? how would it help the cyprus problem or any other problem that exists in Cyprus today?


Who told you that Cypriot can't be an ethnicity?

Do GCs and TCs share exactly the same DNA as Greeks and Turks? The answer is no. But the GCs and TCs do.

The sooner we depart from the Cyprus is Greek argument the better, otherwise there is justification in others saying that Cyprus is Turkish and that is how Turkey likes it.


Only identical twins (triplets etc) share exactly the same DNA. Beyond that we are all the same species with minor differences from individual to individual. Ethnicity is not about DNA, but about a common identity usually based on things such as common language, culture, religion etc. It is extremely rare for people who have a different language and religion to be of the same ethnicity (not to be confused with citizenship).

There are many democratic multi-ethnic countries and having different ethnicities in one country is not a problem on itself.

What you support is what they did in Turkey. They oppress the rights of people such as the Kurds, calling them "Mountain Turks" and trying to deny to them their ethnicity. Trying to force everybody to be the same and denying to people their identity is a racist kind of policy that can only lead to problems.
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