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[boomerang]

you can actually compare stockholm syndrome with slave mentality...same as what the blacks experienced during slavery...a black slave was never chained on a plantation and he fought for his master because even though they were slaves there was a love relationship...and they proven to be obedient slaves...similar to what we see in cyprus today...

[Piratis]

We don't know what was the language that the prehistoric people in Cyprus spoke. Probably there was more than one language since different people came to Cyprus from different places (middle east, Anatolia etc) in different times. What is certain is that what those people spoke has absolutely nothing with the language we speak in Cyprus today and for the last several 1000 years. GR seems to have the impression that the people in Cyprus back then spoke the Cypriot dialect as we speak it today, which is not only incorrect, but totally ridiculous.

Another Kalamaras has arrived who thinks that everything ancient Cypriot must die and that everything “ancient Greek” (even though there never was such a place) must outlive everything else!

It is nothing but a fact that we don't even know what languages were brought to Cyprus by the settlers who came from Anatolia and the Middle east. What we speak today is a Greek dialect and this has been the case for several 1000 years. This is nothing but the plain facts.

Funny how your “facts” are always favoring Greece!

I was born in Cyprus, same like my parents and all my ancestors as far back as I can possibly know about. The only time I have left Cyprus was for my university studies. Therefore I can speak the Greek Cypriot dialect in the standard way, with no accent. It seems you have some inferiority complex because you can't fit with other Cypriots. Instead of realizing that this is because you grew up abroad and therefore you are the one who is different from most Cypriots, you are trying to blame everybody else for your inability to fit in Cyprus.

I’m not the one undermining Cyprus on a regular basis dear “Cypriot” from Kalamata, or maybe like Boomers says you’re just suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome because only an idiot would do that to his country!

The facts favor the facts, nothing more, nothing less.

I don't undermine Cyprus, you do. What do you feel when you hear the national anthem of Cyprus GR? This is the anthem that the vast majority of real Cypriots identify with.

Σε γνωρίζω από την κόψη
του σπαθιού την τρομερή,
σε γνωρίζω από την όψη
που με βιά μετράει τη γη.

Απ' τα κόκαλα βγαλμένη
των Ελλήνων τα ιερά,
και σαν πρώτα ανδρειωμένη,
χαίρε, ω χαίρε, Ελευθεριά!

The problem in your case GR is that you have an identity crisis. You were raised in a foreign country but you didn't quite fit there because your parents were first generation immigrants so you couldn't really call yourself "English" (or whatever else). You came to Cyprus but you don't quite fit here either because you were raised abroad. This seems to create a problem to you, but you are dealing with it in the wrong way.

You need to accept that your personal identity is partly shaped from being raised abroad. No problem with this at all. You just need to realize that most Cypriots are not like you. I can accept your particularities and I have no problem how you choose to identify yourself. But please realize that you are in no position to give to us lessons of Cypriotness, nor you have any right to come from Britain, Australia etc and tell to the locals here what their ethnicity and identity should be.

[boomerang]

fact....if most cypriots weren't like him how do you explain the failed coup?....and really you should be thankfull to TA for saving your ass...coz you would be swimming to greece as your ancestors did when they were chased out of turkey...

your answer as painful as it might be and a bitter pill to swallow, was given to you in '74 by the real cypriots and not by the wannabe greeks...

[Get Real!]

What do you feel when you hear the national anthem of Cyprus GR?

Nausea...

The problem in your case GR is that you have an identity crisis. You were raised in a foreign country but you didn't quite fit there because your parents were first generation immigrants so you couldn't really call yourself "English" (or whatever else). You came to Cyprus but you don't quite fit here either because you were raised abroad. This seems to create a problem to you, but you are dealing with it in the wrong way.

You need to accept that your personal identity is partly shaped from being raised abroad. No problem with this at all. You just need to realize that most Cypriots are not like you. I can accept your particularities and I have no problem how you choose to identify yourself. But please realize that you are in no position to give to us lessons of Cypriotness, nor you have any right to come from Britain, Australia etc and tell to the locals here what their ethnicity and identity should be.

So you have surmised that without the Greek-sponsored secondary education, I ended up lacking in the Hellenic department as an adult and am therefore unable to fit in with you and your classmates!

You’re a genius!

[boomerang]

You need to accept that your personal identity is partly shaped from being raised abroad. No problem with this at all. You just need to realize that most Cypriots are not like you. I can accept your particularities and I have no problem how you choose to identify yourself. But please realize that you are in no position to give to us lessons of Cypriotness, nor you have any right to come from Britain, Australia etc and tell to the locals here what their ethnicity and identity should be.

this can also go a long way in explaining GIG's stand does it not piratis?...or only to the non greeks?...

i look at it from a different point of view...i look at it from outside the box, unlike you that cannot see outside the box...

i asked you before, where you in favour of the coup or not?...your silence on this is deafening...

[Piratis]

It is nothing but a fact that we don't even know what languages were brought to Cyprus by the settlers who came from Anatolia and the Middle east. What we speak today is a Greek dialect and this has been the case for several 1000 years. This is nothing but the plain facts.

so the true name of the first cypriots was settlers huh?...mashallah reh...

and what do you call the greeks that colononized and settled in cyprus much much later?...

becarefull how you refer to your ancestors, you know your "soi"...

out of this discussion, in 1000 years from today, history will be written by the turks, the same way the wannabe greeks re wrote it today from 1000 years ago...north cyprus was colonized by the turks and it was a peacefull transition as they were a higher civilization and locals couldn't wait t adopt it...hmmm noticed that eradication of the north already started?...

Unless you are a black person living in Africa where humans evolved your ancestors were settlers at some point in history (and even if you were African it is still unlikely that your own ancestors stayed in the exact same spot for 100.000 years without moving to settle new lands)

The first Greeks in Cyprus were also settlers, just like those who came to Cyprus from other parts of the world, before and after the Greeks. Nobody grew out of the land of Cyprus.

When the Greeks came to Cyprus 3500 years ago the population of the whole world was less than 50 million people. Those who lived in Cyprus before the Greeks could not be more than 5000 people at most. The concept of a country or nation didn't exist either. What we had was separate small settlements (villages) and most of Cyprus was still uninhabited and open for new settlements. This is a fact.

We didn't re-write any history. The history of those times is written mostly by archaeologists and most of them are foreign. Similarly the Turks will not be able to write whatever history they want, apart from maybe trying to excuse their actions.

But now imagine if in 1000 years the Turks in north Cyprus (if they are still there, I hope not) claim that they are the "pure blood" descendants of the very first people of Cyprus, that Turkish Settlers never came to Cyprus, and that the fact that they speak Turkish is a mere coincidence. Now THAT would be an attempt to rewrite history, but only you and GR are willing to make such ridiculous claims and make fool of yourselves.

[Piratis]

You need to accept that your personal identity is partly shaped from being raised abroad. No problem with this at all. You just need to realize that most Cypriots are not like you. I can accept your particularities and I have no problem how you choose to identify yourself. But please realize that you are in no position to give to us lessons of Cypriotness, nor you have any right to come from Britain, Australia etc and tell to the locals here what their ethnicity and identity should be.

this can also go a long way in explaining GIG's stand does it not piratis?...or only to the non greeks?...

i look at it from a different point of view...i look at it from outside the box, unlike you that cannot see outside the box...

i asked you before, where you in favour of the coup or not?...your silence on this is deafening...

Of course I was against the coup. How is that even related?

There is no question that GIG is not a typical Cypriot either. But this doesn't seem to create an inferiority complex to her.

In fact I wouldn't say I am typical myself. For example I am atheist, not Christian like the vast majority of Cypriots (I have been baptized etc but I reject any kind of religion). But now imagine if I claimed that Christian Cypriots are fake Cypriots because in 7000BC people in Cyprus were not Christian and Christianity was something that was introduced to Cyprus "just" 2000 years ago. Can't you see that this would be a stupid argument to make, jut like it is stupid to say that Cypriots today are not Greek because 7000 years ago there were no Greeks?

[Piratis]

fact....if most cypriots weren't like him how do you explain the failed coup?....and really you should be thankfull to TA for saving your ass...coz you would be swimming to greece as your ancestors did when they were chased out of turkey...

your answer as painful as it might be and a bitter pill to swallow, was given to you in '74 by the real cypriots and not by the wannabe greeks...

So you wrongly assume that those who fought against coupists were not Greeks?

In the coup of 74 there was no fight between Greeks and Cypriots. The fight was between coupists and the defenders of democracy, who were also Greek.

About the "TA for saving your ass" part, this shows that you are are either a foreigner or a traitor (you choose) since you adobt the lame excuses of the enemy. No need to say more.

[Piratis]

What do you feel when you hear the national anthem of Cyprus GR?

Nausea...

The problem in your case GR is that you have an identity crisis. You were raised in a foreign country but you didn't quite fit there because your parents were first generation immigrants so you couldn't really call yourself "English" (or whatever else). You came to Cyprus but you don't quite fit here either because you were raised abroad. This seems to create a problem to you, but you are dealing with it in the wrong way.

You need to accept that your personal identity is partly shaped from being raised abroad. No problem with this at all. You just need to realize that most Cypriots are not like you. I can accept your particularities and I have no problem how you choose to identify yourself. But please realize that you are in no position to give to us lessons of Cypriotness, nor you have any right to come from Britain, Australia etc and tell to the locals here what their ethnicity and identity should be.

So you have surmised that without the Greek-sponsored secondary education, I ended up lacking in the Hellenic department as an adult and am therefore unable to fit in with you and your classmates!

You’re a genius!

We are Greek and therefore we have Greek education. This is how it should be. But even when formal Greek education was prohibited by the Ottomans and other foreign rulers, the Cypriot people passed their Hellenic identity from generation to generation for centuries.

In the end of the day the ethnic identity is something that is acquired, it is not something that you are born with it. If for example an infant from Spain is adopted by English parents it will grow to become English like every other English child. His first words will be in English, not Spanish. He will not wake up one day shouting "Ole", dancing the flamenco and having an appetite for paella. If one day he is told that he was adopted then this might create an identity crisis for him and psychological problems.

So yes, if you were raised abroad unlike other Cypriots, then it is possible that you will have a different kind of identity than the rest of us. This doesn't mean there is something wrong with you and it definitely doesn't mean there is something wrong with the Cypriots of Cyprus. Don't come here lecturing us about what Cypriots should be like because you are in no position to give such lectures.

[boomerang]

fact....if most cypriots weren't like him how do you explain the failed coup?....and really you should be thankfull to TA for saving your ass...coz you would be swimming to greece as your ancestors did when they were chased out of turkey...

your answer as painful as it might be and a bitter pill to swallow, was given to you in '74 by the real cypriots and not by the wannabe greeks...

So you wrongly assume that those who fought against coupists were not Greeks?

In the coup of 74 there was no fight between Greeks and Cypriots. The fight was between coupists and the defenders of democracy, who were also Greek.

About the "TA for saving your ass" part, this shows that you are are either a foreigner or a traitor (you choose) since you adobt the lame excuses of the enemy. No need to say more.

greece instigated the coup...cypriots that rejected greek rule are cypriots...the coupist greeks/greek wanabies, had no scrubbles killing their own kind, you think they would have cared for the tcs?...further more makarios called it a greek invasion or you forgot about that?...

oh yes, in '74 it was greeks and wannabe greeks against cypriots...while you are at it condemn the coupists...

about the TA saving your ass...you betcha...just think if the TA didn't invade the civil war went for a longer time, heaps of blood spilled on the streets, you think the defenders of democracy would have gorgiven the coupists?...they would have said, oh ok now it's over we forgive you while you killed my son, daughter, father mother?...no way piratis, the coupists would have had a couple of choices...either swim to greece or get buried...what do you think the scum bag coupists would have opted for?...burial or swimming?...and this is a FACT...the crux of your thinking piratis...yes i support the invaders because i can think for myself... ...oh start killing everyone and there wil be no revenge killings...if you lived in la la land you could kinda be excused...

my my , what refershing thinking from piratis...forgetting people like you handed 37% to turkey with the, this is a greek island mentality...fuck greece...