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[georgios100]

In your version of the future all Eurozone countries must give up their sovereignty and agree to be ruled by the unelected elite in Brussels...

I think not.

Ruled by the likes of Strauss Kahn!

Indeed!

They can't even decide where the parliament should be based, not to mention being unable to get their accounts signed off for god knows how many years...

Why anybody would think it would be a good idea to give them more power or control the army is completely beyond me...

Who said non elected officials to run Brussels? I know I didn't...

Every country elects it's own political leadership. These politicians "run" their country. Representatives are send to Brussels for the federal government of Europe.
Reps from all countries vote in the "president". Federal government duties similar to the USA standards. Common currency, interest rates, defense etc.

In this manner, market speculators are screwed, can not put the squeeze on each member country individually...

Sovereignty is strengthen, not weaken as you may think. Take the USA for instance... all state members have local governments regulated by local MPs.
The federal government ensures security & economic regulation. Who doubts the sovereignty of the USA?

Afterall, Is the European Union a UNION or not?

[georgios100]

Cyprus must stay in the Eurozone to enjoy the fruits of a team who believe in it.

Countries that don't believe in team work must leave. These countries are:
1. Britain.
2. Germany
3. Austria
4. Finland
5. Holland
6. Slovenia.

The remaining Eurozone countries will exist as one. Eurobonds to be used for all loans at the same interest rate.
Stiff tariffs to be implemented to the 6 non team players mentioned above. Team play to include one defense force for all.
In essence, create the US of Europe but get rid of the bugs and the unwilling.

This is the future.

UK was never part of the Eurozone.

Good. Since UK never agreed totally on the EU concept, it should be kicked out altogether!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus must stay in the Eurozone to enjoy the fruits of a team who believe in it.

Countries that don't believe in team work must leave. These countries are:
1. Britain.
2. Germany
3. Austria
4. Finland
5. Holland
6. Slovenia.

The remaining Eurozone countries will exist as one. Eurobonds to be used for all loans at the same interest rate.
Stiff tariffs to be implemented to the 6 non team players mentioned above. Team play to include one defense force for all.
In essence, create the US of Europe but get rid of the bugs and the unwilling.

This is the future.

UK was never part of the Eurozone.

Good. Since UK never agreed totally on the EU concept, it should be kicked out altogether!

Some excellent points, Georgios. The main country which seeks to destabilize the EU and see an end to the common currency is the UK (which works for the USA - or, the Euros' number one rival, the Dollar).

[Cap]

Depends on Greece.
If they leave, we'll be good little doggies and follow suit.

You can bet your bottom dollar.

[georgios100]

The Greeks will remain in the EU, unless kicked out. Cyprus must remain regardless what happens to Greece...

Blame the Germans for all current problems in the EU. They are making piles of money from the suffering "south countries". We should never trust the Germans and their by-products (Holland, Austria etc). To put it in simple terms, if the "south" countries ban all German imports, Germany will be in deep trouble...

Eurozone would be better off if Germany was out of it (Berlusconi is right on this one...)

[georgios100]

Cyprus must stay in the Eurozone to enjoy the fruits of a team who believe in it.

Countries that don't believe in team work must leave. These countries are:
1. Britain.
2. Germany
3. Austria
4. Finland
5. Holland
6. Slovenia.

The remaining Eurozone countries will exist as one. Eurobonds to be used for all loans at the same interest rate.
Stiff tariffs to be implemented to the 6 non team players mentioned above. Team play to include one defense force for all.
In essence, create the US of Europe but get rid of the bugs and the unwilling.

This is the future.

UK was never part of the Eurozone.

Good. Since UK never agreed totally on the EU concept, it should be kicked out altogether!

Some excellent points, Georgios. The main country which seeks to destabilize the EU and see an end to the common currency is the UK (which works for the USA - or, the Euros' number one rival, the Dollar).

The Brits never adopted the Euro. Additionally, they objected to every single European move or idea, just to promote their own economic policy. Needless to say their economic policy resulted in the biggest UK national dept in the history of humanity... spare us with your advice Brits! The Americans are not stupid - they always considered UK as "small potatoes"...

[cyprusgrump]

Cyprus must stay in the Eurozone to enjoy the fruits of a team who believe in it.

Countries that don't believe in team work must leave. These countries are:
1. Britain.
2. Germany
3. Austria
4. Finland
5. Holland
6. Slovenia.

The remaining Eurozone countries will exist as one. Eurobonds to be used for all loans at the same interest rate.
Stiff tariffs to be implemented to the 6 non team players mentioned above. Team play to include one defense force for all.
In essence, create the US of Europe but get rid of the bugs and the unwilling.

This is the future.

UK was never part of the Eurozone.

Good. Since UK never agreed totally on the EU concept, it should be kicked out altogether!

And why do you think the EU doesn't kick the UK out...?

Because the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget... the EU would be in an even worse financial mess without UK membership...

And lets not forget the UK's contribution to the central bank bailout funds...

[cyprusgrump]

In your version of the future all Eurozone countries must give up their sovereignty and agree to be ruled by the unelected elite in Brussels...

I think not.

Ruled by the likes of Strauss Kahn!

Indeed!

They can't even decide where the parliament should be based, not to mention being unable to get their accounts signed off for god knows how many years...

Why anybody would think it would be a good idea to give them more power or control the army is completely beyond me...

Who said non elected officials to run Brussels? I know I didn't...

Every country elects it's own political leadership. These politicians "run" their country. Representatives are send to Brussels for the federal government of Europe.
Reps from all countries vote in the "president". Federal government duties similar to the USA standards. Common currency, interest rates, defense etc.

In this manner, market speculators are screwed, can not put the squeeze on each member country individually...

Sovereignty is strengthen, not weaken as you may think. Take the USA for instance... all state members have local governments regulated by local MPs.
The federal government ensures security & economic regulation. Who doubts the sovereignty of the USA?

Afterall, Is the European Union a UNION or not?

You're talking about tearing down the entire EU edifice and starting again - which isn't going to happen.

The EU is corrupt and undemocratic - it seeks more and more power which we should deny it.

[cyprusgrump]

Eurocrats demand £8 billion in extra national payments to Brussels budget

Eurocrats are to demand £8 billion in extra national payments to the Brussels budget fuelling government anger at the "incontinence" of European Union spending.

On October 23, the European Commission will request increased contributions from national treasuries to plug a black hole in its budget, a move that could lead to an additional 7.7 per cent increase in the cost of the EU this year.

To meet a shortfall in Brussels funded projects for 2012, British taxpayers will have to find as much as £976 million on top of the £12.7 billion already earmarked this year for payments to the EU from the Treasury.

That's your taxes being pissed away by the unelected who cannot be removed or held to account by you...

[supporttheunderdog]

Eurocrats demand £8 billion in extra national payments to Brussels budget

Eurocrats are to demand £8 billion in extra national payments to the Brussels budget fuelling government anger at the "incontinence" of European Union spending.

On October 23, the European Commission will request increased contributions from national treasuries to plug a black hole in its budget, a move that could lead to an additional 7.7 per cent increase in the cost of the EU this year.

To meet a shortfall in Brussels funded projects for 2012, British taxpayers will have to find as much as £976 million on top of the £12.7 billion already earmarked this year for payments to the EU from the Treasury.

That's your taxes being pissed away by the unelected who cannot be removed or held to account by you...

how true - and some here want to promote this body signing away the sovereignty of each EU nation state including Greece and Cyprus to a body that could make the Ottoman occupation look positively beneign....