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[bg_turk]

My question is mainly addressed to GCs.
Who in your opinion is/was a better leader?
(a) Clerides
(b) Papadopolous
Why?

[Piratis]

This is a question already answered in the most official way in the elections. So you already know the answer of the majority of GCs on this.
Even those that could argue that Cleredes was once a good leader, I think is a joke to claim the same for the last 5 years of his presidency since the man was so old he didn't had a clue what was going on. Good leaders should know when their time is up. Cleredes could not realize it.

[Bananiot]

This is a miserable argument. At least wait until his time is up and then pass judgement. You are saying that since he got voted in, Papadopoulos is a better President. His presidency will be judged after the five years, not before. For what is worth, my opinion is that Papadopoulos will be remembered as the President who consolidated the partition of Cyprus and Klerides as the President who got Cyprus into the European Union.

[Piratis]

You are saying that since he got voted in, Papadopoulos is a better President.

I am simply stating the fact that between Cleredes and Papadopoulos most people believed that Papadopoulos was better.

Papadopoulos will be remembered as the President who consolidated the partition of Cyprus and Klerides as the President who got Cyprus into the European Union.

Or maybe Cleredes will be remembered as the president that by lying to his own people tried to sell off our country and we gave him the boot when we realized, while Papadopolus will be remembered as the person who did what we want him to do, and not whatever the Americans order.

Regarding EU, the credit for that goes to Vassiliou, not Cleredes. Why Cleredes?? Because the accession happened during his presidency? Oh, wait, that was during Papadopoulos presidency that happened.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

This is a question already answered in the most official way in the elections. So you already know the answer of the majority of GCs on this.
Even those that could argue that Cleredes was once a good leader, I think is a joke to claim the same for the last 5 years of his presidency since the man was so old he didn't had a clue what was going on. Good leaders should know when their time is up. Cleredes could not realize it.

So it is official when the people voted for Papadopoulos, but when they voted fro Clerides it was "unofficial"??

If the elctions were staged and I didnt know about it then I apologise..

[Bananiot]

As Klerides was coming out of hospital homebound (he had an angioplastic operation) a reporter asked him "have you been in any shape to follow the developments on the Cyprus issue during your ordeal?". This was the answer Klerides gave:

No, that was quite impossible, because there were no developments. How can one follow the developments if there are no developments?

Compare the above to the dull and boring speaches and statements of Papadopoulos and you may fall into deep depression, unless you are Piratis. Rumours that he has the poster of Papadopoulos on his bedroom wall have not been checked out.

[Piratis]

So it is official when the people voted for Papadopoulos, but when they voted fro Clerides it was "unofficial"??

When people voted for Cleredes the opponent was not Papadopoulos.

Compare the above to the dull and boring speaches and statements of Papadopoulos and you may fall into deep depression

It is true that Papadopoulos is much more serious than Cleredes. What I don't understand is why we would need a joker running our country.

What matters are the policies, not how entertaining somebody is.

[Bananiot]

I was talking about WIT Piratis. Papadopoulos does not have what it takes and the Turks have taken him for a ride. Turkey is not considered to be the main culprit for the stalemate, in fact, the EU voted that Turkey should continue to facilitate the efforts for solution and yes, we voted for this too! He messed up Annan 3 and isolated Cyprus from the rest of the world. Furthermore, as we are talking, he is working hard for the partition of Cyprus because he considers partition to be better than a solution that involves bizonality.

[cypezokyli]

ehm... good question
none of the two.
both suck when it comes to running the country. there was no change when it comes to corruption or how the goverment is controlled. i was deeply dissapointed by pap when he didnt get rid of lilikas. clerides got rid of one miister who was in corruption. but that doesnt make clerides time any better.
when it comes to the cyprus problem... clerides perhaps gave too much. pap is not willing to give anything
in general, i am not confident that with pap we can reach a solution. thats all

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

So it is official when the people voted for Papadopoulos, but when they voted fro Clerides it was "unofficial"??

When people voted for Cleredes the opponent was not Papadopoulos.

He wasnt an opponent because he waited for him to reach 85 before he run against him. (not counting the fact that the original deal, which Anastasiadis broke, declared that after Clerides's 2 terms DYSH would support a DHKO president keeping the two parties in power for 15 years)