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[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

This is a question already answered in the most official way in the elections. So you already know the answer of the majority of GCs on this.
Even those that could argue that Cleredes was once a good leader, I think is a joke to claim the same for the last 5 years of his presidency since the man was so old he didn't had a clue what was going on. Good leaders should know when their time is up. Cleredes could not realize it.

So it is official when the people voted for Papadopoulos, but when they voted fro Clerides it was "unofficial"??

If the elctions were staged and I didnt know about it then I apologise..

Since you failed to answer my question with a misleading and pointless answer I quote myself in search of something that actually has some meaning!

[Piratis]

Since you failed to answer my question with a misleading and pointless answer I quote myself in search of something that actually has some meaning!

The answer is clear: in the one and only time that Papadopoulos and Cleredes have been opponents for presidential elections Papadopoulos won with a huge difference. Or, to put it otherwise, when center left is united, the right stands no chance.

I was talking about WIT Piratis. Papadopoulos does not have what it takes and the Turks have taken him for a ride.

Who was taken for a ride was Cleredes. The result of this ride was the Annan plan.

In Democracy the good president is the one who is serving the interests of its people, the way that the people believe their interests are best served. Otherwise we could simply have dictatorship.

[Bananiot]

A good president is never led by the people. A good president leads the people.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

This is a question already answered in the most official way in the elections. So you already know the answer of the majority of GCs on this.
Even those that could argue that Cleredes was once a good leader, I think is a joke to claim the same for the last 5 years of his presidency since the man was so old he didn't had a clue what was going on. Good leaders should know when their time is up. Cleredes could not realize it.

So it is official when the people voted for Papadopoulos, but when they voted fro Clerides it was "unofficial"??

If the elctions were staged and I didnt know about it then I apologise..

Since you failed to answer my question with a misleading and pointless answer I quote myself in search of something that actually has some meaning!

The answer is clear: in the one and only time that Papadopoulos and Cleredes have been opponents for presidential elections Papadopoulos won with a huge difference. Or, to put it otherwise, when center left is united, the right stands no chance.

The question remains unanswered! If Papadopoulos was "officially" elected wasnt Clerides too?? How can you say that during his last term he was unfit if he was voted in office "officially"?? When does your measurement of efficiency stop applying??

The people voted for him, so he was fit to run! OFFICIALLY...

PS: Papadopoulos's victory took 5 parties to achieve and Clerides took 41% on his own! Lets see Papadopoulos take more than 10% on his own..

[Piratis]

A good president is never led by the people. A good president leads the people.

Sure. The problem is that Cleredes didn't lead the people. If he did he would have convinced us about the correctness of his position. Cleredes deceived the people by promising something to get elected and acting in different ways.

[Piratis]

The question remains unanswered! If Papadopoulos was "officially" elected wasnt Clerides too??

Sure. Did I say the opposite?

How can you say that during his last term he was unfit if he was voted in office "officially"??

About his last term he was judged after this term was over, not before. You can believe that Cleredes is fit to be president today, and that he will still be fit for next presidential elections when he will be almost 90. Thats your personal judgment. I have a different one.

Papadopoulos's victory took 5 parties to achieve and Clerides took 41% on his own!

On his own? Cleredes had parties supporting him. Just not as powerful ones as Papadopoulos had. On his own Cleredes can't do shit. (ok, now with his pampers he can always do that )

[Bananiot]

Piratis

In Democracy the good president is the one who is serving the interests of its people, the way that the people believe their interests are best served. Otherwise we could simply have dictatorship

Bananiot

A good president is never led by the people. A good president leads the people.

Piratis

Sure. The problem is that Cleredes didn't lead the people. If he did he would have convinced us about the correctness of his position. Cleredes deceived the people by promising something to get elected and acting in different ways.

[Alexios]

Piratis

In Democracy the good president is the one who is serving the interests of its people, the way that the people believe their interests are best served. Otherwise we could simply have dictatorship

Bananiot

A good president is never led by the people. A good president leads the people.

Piratis

Sure. The problem is that Cleredes didn't lead the people. If he did he would have convinced us about the correctness of his position.
Cleredes deceived the people by promising something to get elected and acting in different ways.

)))))

[Piratis]

And? What exactly you don't understand dear Bananiot?

Is it impossible for you to understand that "leading the people" means making the people to understand and accept your position (and therefore support it) and not deceiving them by saying lies to them to steal their vote?

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

The question remains unanswered! If Papadopoulos was "officially" elected wasnt Clerides too??

Sure. Did I say the opposite?

How can you say that during his last term he was unfit if he was voted in office "officially"??

About his last term he was judged after this term was over, not before. You can believe that Cleredes is fit to be president today, and that he will still be fit for next presidential elections when he will be almost 90. Thats your personal judgment. I have a different one.

Papadopoulos's victory took 5 parties to achieve and Clerides took 41% on his own!

On his own? Cleredes had parties supporting him. Just not as powerful ones as Papadopoulos had. On his own Cleredes can't do shit. (ok, now with his pampers he can always do that )

Judging from your schoolboy/mommy is not here to see me attitude it is safe to assume that during the past decade or so you were the most frustrated, and cheated out of everything citizen in CY .

You have no idea how settling that thought is..