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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:04 am

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bill cobbett wrote:Do seem to recall that GR did promise us to work on a system for writing Choirokitian for English-speakers ages ago.

I managed to find and install Choirokitian character sets for Ms Office and started playing with the idea of Greek to Choirokitian translation etc, when I realized it’s a bigger project than I had time for so it’s on the backburner… :)

Btw, on a similar note I did post here a HTML for Latin Greeklish to Greek converter! 8)

Choirokitians didn't use any writing system so it is impossible to have Choirokitian character sets unless you made them up yourself using your wild imagination ;) And we don't even know what language those people spoke ... so you can't have Greek to Choirokitian translation either! :|

It appears that I picked up on Bill’s error who should’ve said Cypriot… ah well we meant Cypriot character sets people not Choirokitian, which you can get from here and a few other places if interested…

http://www.herongyang.com/Unicode/Block ... abary.html

At the time I figured that given that there are 55 characters in the Cypriot alphabet then the number of permutations is 55 factorial or 1.26964034^1073 !!! I then thought, ok, what if I write a number crunching program that spits out all the combinations while assigning a Greek word (I was going to select the most frequently used Greek basic words/phrases) to each character so as to visually inspect and see what makes sense but that’s a hell of a lot of combinations to go through which would call for serious number crunching, an enormous amount of time and quite possibly the aid of a linguist.
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Sotos » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:55 am

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Do seem to recall that GR did promise us to work on a system for writing Choirokitian for English-speakers ages ago.

I managed to find and install Choirokitian character sets for Ms Office and started playing with the idea of Greek to Choirokitian translation etc, when I realized it’s a bigger project than I had time for so it’s on the backburner… :)

Btw, on a similar note I did post here a HTML for Latin Greeklish to Greek converter! 8)

Choirokitians didn't use any writing system so it is impossible to have Choirokitian character sets unless you made them up yourself using your wild imagination ;) And we don't even know what language those people spoke ... so you can't have Greek to Choirokitian translation either! :|

It appears that I picked up on Bill’s error who should’ve said Cypriot… ah well we meant Cypriot character sets people not Choirokitian, which you can get from here and a few other places if interested…

http://www.herongyang.com/Unicode/Block ... abary.html

At the time I figured that given that there are 55 characters in the Cypriot alphabet then the number of permutations is 55 factorial or 1.26964034^1073 !!! I then thought, ok, what if I write a number crunching program that spits out all the combinations while assigning a Greek word (I was going to select the most frequently used Greek basic words/phrases) to each character so as to visually inspect and see what makes sense but that’s a hell of a lot of combinations to go through which would call for serious number crunching, an enormous amount of time and quite possibly the aid of a linguist.


Not sure how that "55 factorial" is relevant :? If what you want is to map Cypriot Syllabary characters on Greek words in the same way that you use Latin to write Greek (Greeklish) then this would be quite simple but it would be meaningless because the Cypriot Syllabary was used with ancient Arcadocypriot not modern Greek or even modern Greek Cypriot dialect ;)
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby CBBB » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:54 am

Get Real! wrote:which would call for serious number crunching, an enormous amount of time and quite possibly the aid of a linguist.


A cunning linguist?
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Schnauzer » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:54 am

bill cobbett wrote: Do seem to recall that GR did promise us to work on a system for writing Choirokitian for English-speakers ages ago.



The 'English Speaking' populations often rely upon 'Phonetics' when dealing with other languages, the 'Brits' (in particular) go further than most and actually seem to have an inherent need to ridicule rather than study the 'Native Tongue' (or even grammar) of other nations.

One very small example, when dealing with 'French', the expression "Oui oui" (used as an emphasis in confirmation) immediately attracts the attention of those prone to such ridicule and becomes 'Wee wee' together with the 'Guffaws' which attend such expression.

As to 'Kolokasi', it becomes 'GoolaGassy' (hard sounding phonetics) and often 'Colongassy' (to those with a smattering of knowledge of the word 'Colon' and the association of 'Gas' to it) a truly funny joke to those unable to appreciate the versatility of it (the 'Vegetable' that is, NOT the 'Colon').

Therefore, I think GR would be wasting his time producing the 'System' you refer to, in fact, he would merely be subjecting such a 'System' to the possibility (more likely probability) of 'Brit humour' as they apply their unfortunate predilection to 'Bastardize' the languages of other nations with the same 'Gusto' as they do their own.

'GoolieGassy' might even produce a good laugh since the 'Poulles' or Boulles' are easily converted to 'Balls' and therefore fit the 'Humour' admirably. :wink:
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Anna_gr » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:31 am

I don't think the British people bastardise or ridicule other languages at all.

Perhaps they ridicule the French, but they bring that on themselves. Most people I know who go to France seem to think the French can be a touch rude and arrogant, and that is not just the British people that think this.

I like British humour.
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Grizos Katos » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:28 am

Have to agree with previous poster.

I will further add that there seems to be a lot of unjustified malicious abuse against Brits.

As a Cypriot I wish to disassociate myself with such like and tell other Brits that some posters here seem to have some major issues.
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Schnauzer » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:45 am

@ Anna_gr and Grizos Katos, I think you both are having a laugh !, Anna_gr needs only to take a trip down to the 'Inner Sanctums' of Pafos to experience the attitude of the 'Brits' toward their 'Host Nation' as they (Verbally AND Morally) introduce their own 'Culture' to the location, no need to circumnavigate the rest of the world where the very same attitudes fester.

Grizos Katos, you who claims to be 'Cypriot' yet would seemingly condone the above mentioned attitudes without a hint of irony, one is forced to wonder if you are aware of the fact that 'Cyprus' is divided, that the 'Brits' (in collusion with others) are directly responsible for your nation's predicament, that they are (in all probability) currently engaged in further 'Connivance's' which will ensure the complete destruction of 'Cypriot Culture', unjustified?, indeed. :roll:

However, since we ARE supposed to be discussing 'Vegetables', perhaps a separate thread should be opened on THIS one, although the term 'Vegetable' is often used to describe those who unfortunately (due to some misfortune) are unable to 'THINK' for themselves.

You come across as a "Right bleed'en pair a Bubble 'n Squeaks" (as Jimmy Light would say). :wink:
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby Grizos Katos » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:19 pm

Do I look like I am laughing, at anything other than the paranoia and over reactions towards the Brits?

What you describe, from mostly retired older folk is a natural Defence or comfort zone that they need due to the unfamiliar to them language and culture. I have never noticed any disrespect to their new host country or to Cypriots, unless you refer to those that buy stolen property.

I am familiar with the situation in Cyprus. I presume you are from Paphos, and if that is the case, I am more familiar than you.

Indeed, it is the UK that was the newly embraced country for thousands of Cypriots, and they too took quite some time in adopting the language and culture of their new host. Nothing new or surprising in that, since it seems to be common amongst all immigrants around the world.
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby denizaksulu » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:31 am

kurupetos wrote:
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Nikitas wrote:The man is talking about colodjia, kolokasi and poulles. All are edible.


Aren't kolokasi and poulles the same thing?

Poulles is young kolokasi. :wink:



Poulles are the side-shoots off the main Kolocassia root. Whats the matter KP? Never been in a field? :D
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Re: What are these vegetables?

Postby kurupetos » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:28 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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Nikitas wrote:The man is talking about colodjia, kolokasi and poulles. All are edible.


Aren't kolokasi and poulles the same thing?

Poulles is young kolokasi. :wink:


Poulles are the side-shoots off the main Kolocassia root. Whats the matter KP? Never been in a field? :D

I am a city slicker. 8)
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