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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby kimon07 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 pm

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Are you enjoying your Arab Spring?
September/14/2012

According to Los Angeles Times, U.S. Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was a model diplomat who was “idealistic, eager and brave, and seen by some in Benghazi as ‘a friend to all Libyans.’” Mr. Stevens, God bless his soul, may have been idealistic, eager and brave, but apparently he was seen by some others in Benghazi not as a friend to all Libyans. As we celebrate a fresh month of democracy in the Arab world, Mr. Stevens became the first American ambassador to die in the line of duty since 1988.

Officially, Mr. Stevens and three other embassy personnel were killed because of a film which some Libyans perceived as blasphemous against Islam. You may choose to be naive enough to believe this. Ah, it’s because of that film! It was not. Without that film, your Islamist, who now enjoys his understanding of democracy, would find another good reason to fire another rocket in the name of jihad.


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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby Jerry » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:36 pm

This display of anti-Americanism is surely going to reflect on Turkey’s relationship with the US. America may be keen to strengthen its ties with its principal Moslem ally in the region; it could be bad news for the ROC.

But help may be on the horizon, it looks like the TC opposition parties are getting fed up with their lot, what will it take for the TCs to turn on their masters from the mainland, are we going to see a Turkish Cypriot Spring?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14192 ... tion-.html

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=28
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby Lordo » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:50 pm

Jerry wrote:This display of anti-Americanism is surely going to reflect on Turkey’s relationship with the US. America may be keen to strengthen its ties with its principal Moslem ally in the region; it could be bad news for the ROC.

But help may be on the horizon, it looks like the TC opposition parties are getting fed up with their lot, what will it take for the TCs to turn on their masters from the mainland, are we going to see a Turkish Cypriot Spring?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14192 ... tion-.html

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=28

if you did not see it in the 80s and 90s and 00s and 10s why would you be able to see it now. it started as far backs as late 70s and culminated in delivering the yes vote for peace in 2004. you missed the boat for peace and you are oblivious to it my friend.
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby Jerry » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:04 pm

Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:This display of anti-Americanism is surely going to reflect on Turkey’s relationship with the US. America may be keen to strengthen its ties with its principal Moslem ally in the region; it could be bad news for the ROC.

But help may be on the horizon, it looks like the TC opposition parties are getting fed up with their lot, what will it take for the TCs to turn on their masters from the mainland, are we going to see a Turkish Cypriot Spring?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14192 ... tion-.html

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=28

if you did not see it in the 80s and 90s and 00s and 10s why would you be able to see it now. it started as far backs as late 70s and culminated in delivering the yes vote for peace in 2004. you missed the boat for peace and you are oblivious to it my friend.


It looks like the current opposition parties missed the boat as well. Your terms were not fair or favourable then, my friend. The more pissed off you get with your mainland masters the better as far as I'm concerned. You need to make your minds up, do you want to remain Cypriots or be gobbled up by the Islamification of the north.
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby Lordo » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:24 pm

Turkish Yeni Aktuel magazine (30.08.12-12.09.12), journalist Alper Gormus reports that the policy of the Turkish side for Cyprus

dated 8 November 2004 from the diaries of former Commander of the Naval Forces Ozden Ornek:

'Visit of Ambassador Baki Ilkin? Mr Baki is a person whom we know as family, our families know each other. He was departing because he had been appointed to the United Nations and he came to say goodbye. Because he was the actual responsible deputy undersecretary during the Cyprus negotiations, he felt the need to tell me about the developments. That is, he wanted to explain to me what strategy they were implementing in the way towards the referendum and told me the following:

In any case, the Annan Plan could not be accepted by the Greek Administration of South Cypriot because of the issues it was including. It could not be accepted because [it provided for] their abandoning the state and reestablishing a new state, the continuation of the existence of the Turkish army and securing the return to their properties with a delay. The risk we have taken was not a big one. We started working by accepting that that if we say yes they will say no. We have informed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that our aim was not to solve the Cyprus problem, but to turn it into an obstacle in the way towards the EU. In the end our assumption came true and the Greek Administration of South Cyprus said no'.

These lines tell us that: 'during the period of the Annan Plan in 2004 as well, our policy in Cyprus was that the 'non-solution is a solution'?"


you see they accepted it knowing the greek cypriots would say yes. they did not want it at all.
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:36 pm

Lordo wrote:Turkish Yeni Aktuel magazine (30.08.12-12.09.12), journalist Alper Gormus reports that the policy of the Turkish side for Cyprus

dated 8 November 2004 from the diaries of former Commander of the Naval Forces Ozden Ornek:

'Visit of Ambassador Baki Ilkin? Mr Baki is a person whom we know as family, our families know each other. He was departing because he had been appointed to the United Nations and he came to say goodbye. Because he was the actual responsible deputy undersecretary during the Cyprus negotiations, he felt the need to tell me about the developments. That is, he wanted to explain to me what strategy they were implementing in the way towards the referendum and told me the following:

In any case, the Annan Plan could not be accepted by the Greek Administration of South Cypriot because of the issues it was including. It could not be accepted because [it provided for] their abandoning the state and reestablishing a new state, the continuation of the existence of the Turkish army and securing the return to their properties with a delay. The risk we have taken was not a big one. We started working by accepting that that if we say yes they will say no. We have informed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that our aim was not to solve the Cyprus problem, but to turn it into an obstacle in the way towards the EU. In the end our assumption came true and the Greek Administration of South Cyprus said no'.

These lines tell us that: 'during the period of the Annan Plan in 2004 as well, our policy in Cyprus was that the 'non-solution is a solution'?"


you see they accepted it knowing the greek cypriots would say yes. they did not want it at all.

They accepted, we accepted, he accepted… I don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about! :? :lol:
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:51 am

Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:This display of anti-Americanism is surely going to reflect on Turkey’s relationship with the US. America may be keen to strengthen its ties with its principal Moslem ally in the region; it could be bad news for the ROC.

But help may be on the horizon, it looks like the TC opposition parties are getting fed up with their lot, what will it take for the TCs to turn on their masters from the mainland, are we going to see a Turkish Cypriot Spring?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14192 ... tion-.html

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=28

if you did not see it in the 80s and 90s and 00s and 10s why would you be able to see it now. it started as far backs as late 70s and culminated in delivering the yes vote for peace in 2004. you missed the boat for peace and you are oblivious to it my friend.


yeah right Lordos, an Annan plan that would have given Turkey hegemony over Cyprus
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:00 am

B25 wrote:
Lordo wrote:This is going to get nasty. Watch them connect the killers with Iran and attack her.


Has the hallmarks of the twins towers and al-qaeda scenario.


These guys were incited by an anti Muslim movie on youtube to commit these acts in Libya and Egypt, didnt the Americans incite the Iraqis(circa 2005/2006) by showing an American woman yanking on an Arabs mustache and some other things and all hell broke lose in Iraq. The Americans are doing the same thing again. Inciting the bad guys and having them show their heads and then chopping them off..Iraq is relatively very peaceful nowadays. Dont these new governments in Egypt and Lybia have to confront these militants and in essence make them their enemies?
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby kimon07 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:09 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Jerry wrote:This display of anti-Americanism is surely going to reflect on Turkey’s relationship with the US. America may be keen to strengthen its ties with its principal Moslem ally in the region; it could be bad news for the ROC.

But help may be on the horizon, it looks like the TC opposition parties are getting fed up with their lot, what will it take for the TCs to turn on their masters from the mainland, are we going to see a Turkish Cypriot Spring?

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/14192 ... tion-.html

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=28

if you did not see it in the 80s and 90s and 00s and 10s why would you be able to see it now. it started as far backs as late 70s and culminated in delivering the yes vote for peace in 2004. you missed the boat for peace ...........


yeah right Lordos, an Annan plan that would have given Turkey hegemony over Cyprus


Yeah! PAX TURKA. Ask the Kurds, the Alevis and the Syriacs about it. (And the TCs. Noit to forget them).
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Re: US Ambassador killed in Libya

Postby kimon07 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:56 pm

Lordo wrote:Turkish Yeni Aktuel magazine (30.08.12-12.09.12), journalist Alper Gormus reports that the policy of the Turkish side for Cyprus

dated 8 November 2004 from the diaries of former Commander of the Naval Forces Ozden Ornek:

'Visit of Ambassador Baki Ilkin? Mr Baki is a person whom we know as family, our families know each other. He was departing because he had been appointed to the United Nations and he came to say goodbye. Because he was the actual responsible deputy undersecretary during the Cyprus negotiations, he felt the need to tell me about the developments. That is, he wanted to explain to me what strategy they were implementing in the way towards the referendum and told me the following:

In any case, the Annan Plan could not be accepted by the Greek Administration of South Cypriot because of the issues it was including. It could not be accepted because [it provided for] their abandoning the state and reestablishing a new state, the continuation of the existence of the Turkish army and securing the return to their properties with a delay. The risk we have taken was not a big one. We started working by accepting that that if we say yes they will say no. We have informed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that our aim was not to solve the Cyprus problem, but to turn it into an obstacle in the way towards the EU. In the end our assumption came true and the Greek Administration of South Cyprus said no'.

These lines tell us that: 'during the period of the Annan Plan in 2004 as well, our policy in Cyprus was that the 'non-solution is a solution'?"

you see they accepted it knowing the greek cypriots would say yes. they did not want it at all.


Nice try by Mr. Alper Gormus to present a Turkish all out defeat as a triumph of Turkish diplomacy. How very Turkish of him.

The truth is that the Turks believed that they and their patrons had set the prefect trap: If we voted yes they would dominate over Cyprus and all their crimes would be legitimized, while if we voted NO then Cyprus would not be admitted to the EU and the illegal regime of the north would be legitimized. Well, their trap snapped and caught their noses while they were setting it.

Face it. Tiny little Cyprus (or rather, the GREEK Greek Cypriots), defied your mama, the USA, Britain, NATO and all the other bullies who were trying to terrorize us into voting yes. And ridiculed you all. I will never forget the triumphant declarations of Erdogan and Gul when Annan Plan 5 was finalised. But, I will not feel greater joy till I die, than the one I felt when I saw the faces of those same two clowns (and all their friends and Patrons) when the result of our referendum came out. And when I heard their hateful declarations and their threats and their cries about the poor TCs having been "left out into the cold" and felt their panic and their desperation from having seen their dreams and their aspirations being shuttered. By the GREEK Greek Cypriots who voted NO! Boy, they must have felt very stupid after having boasted day after day for months, prior to the referendums, about the great triumph of the Turkish foreign policy huh? Who was it who said that revenge is a dish to be eaten cold? Boy! Was he right! I am still enjoying it after so many years.
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