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CAN TURKEY WIPE US OUT?

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Postby Kypreos » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:03 am

Khan wrote:I'd understand your point Kypreos but was it not Arabs who sided with Lawrence of Arabia against Ottoman Turks? They fought for independence from Turks only to be backstabbed by Britain and France. Who knows how WWI would have ended if we didnt have to devote an entire army to the east. Perhaps Arabs and Turks would have stayed together with enough oil to make it a power, all that happened is the West divided and conquered it.


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everything u have said is 100% correct, it goes deeper than that though. There was alot of arabs in the ottoman empire, but yes alot of them got brainwashed by the West, the west told the arabs why do u want these Ottomans in your country, will help u be independant, arabs said yes, they sent lawrance, after turks got pushed back, they diveded arabia, thats the biggest stuff up by arabs ever.
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Postby Kypreos » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:22 am

Birkibrisli wrote:Kypreos,


What is this preoccupation you have with religion?Don't you know that religion has caused more conflicts in the history of the world than anything else?Religion has never been a uniting force,especially in Islam.Remember the Iran-Iraq war which lasted about 10 years and killed millions?Turkey decided to become secular (well,Ataturk decided that Turkey would be secular) in 1923,and leave religion out of state affairs.Personally I think he didn't go far enough when he abolished the Kaliphate,he should have banned religion altogether.
Now I don't mean he should have banned God or Allah (they are the same thing!),,but outlawed organised religion,and leave people to worship their God in the privacy of their hearts.Organised religion is indeed "opium of the masses" a tool to control and direct peoples behaviour to serve a minority's interests.If you want to know about Islam in its purest sense go and read about Sufism.Then you won't mix religion and politics ever again.




brother, iraq and iran war was started by who? the West. america got saddam to attack iran, they even supplied him with the weapons.

Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots use to be friends, do u know who started the war and wanted us to hate each other? the west. English wanted cyprus.

turkey became secular, who put ataturk in power? the West. The west needed to destroy the ottomans, they told ataturk look , where gonna send some anzacs and there gonna land on the wrong beach, we want you to send your turkish troops, ull defeat them, and you will look like a hero, once in power destroy the whole ottoman way of life and take away islam from turkey. am i lieing? ok lets see what he did once in power.

so what did he do? he took away the arabic alphabet, which is the qurans alphabet, he told muslim woman take off ur headscarf, they didnt even have a choice, no democracy or freedom, and even today in turkey they cant even go to universitie because covered girls are banned from entering, the turkish prime minister sends his daughters to school in another country cause his daughters are wearing headscarf they cant go uni in turkey, WHAT A JOKE!!!!

For me, This life is a test, we are all gonna die one day, whether u like it or not, ur gonna die. And you will be questioned on the day of judgement, and you will either enter heaven or hell, it is a unseen thing to us, so that in itself is a test, God wants to see who is gonna beleive in the day of judgement, who is gonna beleive that there is a heaven and hell, and who is gonna work towards paradise in the way we must work towards it..

so for me... religion and God is everything. Its like the matrix.... "Hello Neo, welcome to the real world" and thats whats gonna happen when u die... not exactly... hehehe but u get what im trying to say

By the way the topic is "can turkey wipe us out".. how the heck did we get here?????
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Postby akiner » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:55 am

AS Uğur Mumcu* said before " People get opinions without having knowledge"...
urkey became secular, who put ataturk in power? the West. The west needed to destroy the ottomans, they told ataturk look , where gonna send some anzacs and there gonna land on the wrong beach, we want you to send your turkish troops, ull defeat them, and you will look like a hero, once in power destroy the whole ottoman way of life and take away islam from turkey. am i lieing? ok lets see what he did once in power.

Turkey became officially a secular state in 1937 that was nearly end of his era...But i have to confess your scenerio above there is very cool, why dont u send it to producers on hollywood....

so what did he do? he took away the arabic alphabet, which is the qurans alphabet, he told muslim woman take off ur headscarf, they didnt even have a choice, no democracy or freedom, and even today in turkey they cant even go to universitie because covered girls are banned from entering, the turkish prime minister sends his daughters to school in another country cause his daughters are wearing headscarf they cant go uni in turkey, WHAT A JOKE!!!!


Just tell me a reason why should i hold a conversation with someone who knows nothing about the differences between headscarf and turban!!...Moreover it's not the arabic script that makes quran a holy thing but its content...And yes ppl get banned from the society till they stop using turban as a symbol of their reactionist political views.

*Uğur Mumcu got killed by a boming attack from that reactionist militants who feeded in Iran
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Turkey... hmmmm

Postby Kypreos » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:27 pm

Heres a nice link about ataturk.... Ataturk the enemie of islam...hollywood should make a movie ur right hehehe...

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/index.ph ... y-of-islam

bro when i say headscraf i mean hijab... according to Quran and sunnah of islam... it is 100% compulsory for a woman to cover her hair, and neck... and in turkey it is 100% banned to wear the hijab in schools...
here are some links of headscarf in turkey...

http://freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=939

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/ ... xt/archive

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2971109.stm

http://www.captiveminds.org/issues/banscarf.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/wor ... 144316.stm

http://www.panos.org.uk/newsfeatures/fe ... sp?id=1186

Just do yourself a favour and check it out... the truth will shock you...
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Postby Nicko » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:11 pm

wow, my topic took off n the end, well done!!
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