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[Bananiot]

Papadopoulos has been a nationalist and will always be a nationalist. He is the opposite side of the same coin and you will find Denktash on the other side of the coin that bears the face of Papadopoulos one one side. Papadopoulos is no stranger to politics. He has been around since the 50's. He has written countless articles in newspapers and magazines. He is an exposed character. It is thus very easy to prove the fact that he is a sick nationalist. Christofias argued that "the man has changed" in order to convince the faithful to accept him as the party's candidate. Well, anyone that knows the history of AKEL can easy conclude that it is not Papadopoulos that has changed for the better but AKEL for the worse. Take the recent stance of Papadopoulos when he refuses flatly to ask for negotiations. He claims that since he gave his proposals to Anna it is up to the SG to convene a new round of talks. Talat, on the other hand is litterally just across the road and he stated that he is ready to meet Papadopoulos any time. Papadopoulos will not even have coffe with him, waiting rather for Kofee to call new negotiations. Why is this? Obviously the waiting game suits him fine because he knows that any negotiations will be based on the Annan Plan. He has no stomach for BBF and he prefers things to stay as they are. HE SAID SO, in Helsinki but the bigots that support him do not want to listen.

As for the influence of the church, I would like to point out that the church, besides offering to open the gates of parasites to the chosen ones (a no vote was a must, if you remember) it is also a financial giant, the biggest on the plantation. Anyone saying that this giant has no political clout must be daydreaming. Also, take a stroll in Nicosia and in most towns. A new church appears around almost every corner. They are huge, ugly buildings, that spoil the natural environment and make mockery of aesthetics.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Pampos - almost 100% of refugees do not want compensation- Most want resititution to their towns and villages. - If the remedy avialable to refugees was to be limited to monetary compensation then this should have been paid as at least by the 1980's when refugees needed the money the most. Refugees from Kyrenia are generally OK financially-so you can take your compensation and shove it straight up your brainwashed arse.

The very nominal compensation offered in the Annan Plan- would not be available for many years in any case- (just enough time to run a matter in the European Court of Human Rights.)

Pampos if you are satisfied with your contention that the refugees lost any opportunities by rejecting the plan then you are the one who is deluded.

I would feel more justified spending 100 times the nominal compansation offered on applications for restituiton to the European Court of Human Rights and losing it all rather than accepting an insulting nominal sum for the loss of identity as a Kyrenian. I would accept the decision of the ECHR rather than the compensation provisions of the Hack Annan Plan and I haven't even lived in Agios Amvrosios.( I was born after the invasion).

The Refugees of Kyrenia have NOTHING MORE TO LOSE from the Annan Plan- so Kofi can go get F*cked

[RAFAELLA]

Talat, on the other hand is litterally just across the road and he stated that he is ready to meet Papadopoulos any time. Papadopoulos will not even have coffe with him, waiting rather for Kofee to call new negotiations. Why is this?

Bananiot, Talat's words have no value. What is he going to discuss with Papadopoulos since he is not allowed to take initiatives?
It's not a common secret that he doesn't even go to toilet without getting a permission from Turkey.

If Talat is sincere and he wants a solution then why he doesn't ask Tr to withdraw some troops as an act of goodwill? Why he doesn't forbid the sale of Gc properties as an act of goodwill? ...and "humiliate" Papadopoulos for not accepting to meet him.

He has no power, he is just a puppet of Tr.
When Tr sings, Talat dances.

[Bananiot]

So, you are saying that if Annan calls for talks we should ignore him because we can only talk with Erdogan. This is a sure prescription to leave things as they are. We have been talking with Denktash for years but now Talat won't do. It is ok to have secret talks with Denktash junior but we should steer well clear of Talat. Who needs a solution?

[BirKibrisli]

It's not a common secret that he doesn't even go to toilet without getting a permission from Turkey.

I think you are being unfair to poor Talat,Rafaella.
My information is that he does go to the toilet without Turkey's permission,but he can't wipe his arse afterwards without permission.

Seriously though,Bananiot is right.They might be only symbolic but talks with Talat would show that Papadopoulos is serious about a solution.Eventually when we reach an agreement (in my great great great granchildren's time) Talat would have to sign it as well as Erdogan.It would be polite of TPapa to acknowledge this fact,which is really acknowledging the existense of TCs.

[RAFAELLA]

So, you are saying that if Annan calls for talks we should ignore him because we can only talk with Erdogan. This is a sure prescription to leave things as they are. We have been talking with Denktash for years but now Talat won't do. It is ok to have secret talks with Denktash junior but we should steer well clear of Talat. Who needs a solution?

Don't compare parrots with turkeys.
Annan is the sg of the UN and Erdogan is the pm of the country that occupies a CyR territory. Erdogan's troops are illegaly on the island, do you thing that if Talat orders the withdrawal of the troops, the troops will leave? No. Therefore Talat has no power, therefore why should Papa meet him since what ever they "agree" it has to take permission from TR.

[garbitsch]

Raf, do you know that TRNC government will no more grant citizenship and work permits to the new settlers from Turkey? Stop belittling Talat and multiplying him with zero!

[Bananiot]

Don't compare parrots with turkeys.

Do you mean turkey as in bird? I am a wee bit of an ornithologist and today I got rather crossed because the greek turkey in Chios contracted avian flu probably from turkey.

P.S. Now you can say that I am comparing parots with turkeys.

Rafaella, just joking, still love you ...

[Agios Amvrosios]

I agree why are we wasting our time talking to Talat- WHo is Talat. He is nobody.

Our leaders should have never wasted time talking with Denktash- This was all Clerides doing- what a hack. We should have gone straight to Ankara.

[BirKibrisli]

I agree why are we wasting our time talking to Talat- WHo is Talat. He is nobody.

Our leaders should have never wasted time talking with Denktash- This was all Clerides doing- what a hack. We should have gone straight to Ankara.

But if Papa won't speak to Talat than Erdogan won't speak to Papa,and this childish game will go on forever.I think GCs are putting a lot of importance on the EU pressure on Turkey during accession talks to get something happening in Cyprus.In my opinion,and please give this a bit of thought,eventually Turkey will get the advantage if the Cyprus problem is not solved soon.It will be Turkey threatening the EU over Cyprus (if you don't let me in I'll never recognise Cyprus) and the tables will be turned.Erdogan is as cunning as a fox,imo.He had already turned the tables with the Turkish Army.He will have Papadopoulos for breakfast I am afraid,and Cyprus will be the loser.