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[Bananiot]

What is stopping you from asking these short and sweet questions Kifeas? It appears to me that you are in possession of a lie detector but the big question that springs to mind every time you go into this mood is why do you not deal with the ideas and arguments of fellow posters but instead you question their motives? We have had a fair share of "fights" over the months and never for one moment did I question your motives, yet you choose to employ the same ploy with each and every user who expresses a different opinion to yours. This, I am sorry to say, shows severe lack of political and social culture. To be looking fo alterior motive all the time is like trying to put an end to the seeking of ideas and this in itself is backward and completely unacceptable.

My contribution has been proceedural because I have talked countless times on the subjects raised by PambosNY and I largely agree with him with his judgement. Yet I am not a TC.

[PambosNY]

Are you on line PambosNY?

If you are on line, I would like to ask you some short and easy questions, which will require some short but quick answers.

You said you are from Ayios Amvrosios, or Esentepe as the Turks re-named it, is that correct?

I claim that not only you are not a Greek Cypriot but in fact you are a Turkish Cypriot propagandist, masqueraded as a Greek Cypriot.

Would you like to prove me wrong?

My friend you are hallucinating! This really made me laugh. You are so into greek nationalism and you feel so comfortbale in the lies you've been fed all your life that you cannot even accept the truth. The truth is like a curse for you, you simply cannot face it, it causes you to hallucinate. your nationilistic ego is so strong that when you hear the truth you immediately thing something must be wrong...ohhh..it's a consipracy,.... yeah i must be t/c becasue i'm tellign you the truth and not the lies you've been accustomed to... XIPNA RE!

It's time to wake up my friend. you've been taken for a ride by the nationalists for along time. Didnt you have enough?

Wake up to reality! Makarios and his idelogies is the main cause of our problems (and of the fact you are completely ignorant to what happened to us and to the extend of your halluciantions and paranoia)

p.s. Eimai kipraios/ellinas 100% pou ton ai grosi i malon pou ton proin ai grosi. Xipna re! eppiasan mas sto maittapin! to ethnikistiko misos mas katastrepse tjai emeis akoma pame, xantakomenni san tous pellous.
File mou eisai poli asteios na grafeis tetties idies. Prepei na nrtepese gia tis eikasies pou kaneis, isos xriazete na dis an psixiatro perkimo sou perasi... ektos tjai a se plironoun gai na grafeis teties ma**kies lol

[PambosNY]

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[Bananiot]

I know Kifeas went asking for it but I believe the last paragraph was not needed.

[PambosNY]

What is stopping you from asking these short and sweet questions Kifeas? It appears to me that you are in possession of a lie detector but the big question that springs to mind every time you go into this mood is why do you not deal with the ideas and arguments of fellow posters but instead you question their motives? We have had a fair share of "fights" over the months and never for one moment did I question your motives, yet you choose to employ the same ploy with each and every user who expresses a different opinion to yours. This, I am sorry to say, shows severe lack of political and social culture. To be looking fo alterior motive all the time is like trying to put an end to the seeking of ideas and this in itself is backward and completely unacceptable.

My contribution has been proceedural because I have talked countless times on the subjects raised by PambosNY and I largely agree with him with his judgement. Yet I am not a TC.

Thnaks you my friend. Yes, it's so typical of people like kifeas to resort to this kind of unreasonable behavior when faced with ideas that they are not accustomed to. This not only shows the lack of willingness to discusss but also reveals the fallacy of kifeas-like beliefs.

You see if ones ideas are based on lies there's a limited number of arguments one can employ to defend his position, after a while he has to resort to...well... paranoia and belief in consipracies and ghosts!

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Denktas: I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted "NO".
Papadopoulos: I thank God G/Cs are so naive, so I can still be The Mr. President..

[PambosNY]

I know Kifeas went asking for it but I believe the last paragraph was not needed.

well, maybe you are right. I shouldnt get it out on kifeas, miost g/c think like him anyway. But I wanted to prove to him that i'm no "t/c spy"

[Kifeas]

What is stopping you from asking these short and sweet questions Kifeas? It appears to me that you are in possession of a lie detector but the big question that springs to mind every time you go into this mood is why do you not deal with the ideas and arguments of fellow posters but instead you question their motives? We have had a fair share of "fights" over the months and never for one moment did I question your motives, yet you choose to employ the same ploy with each and every user who expresses a different opinion to yours. This, I am sorry to say, shows severe lack of political and social culture. To be looking fo alterior motive all the time is like trying to put an end to the seeking of ideas and this in itself is backward and completely unacceptable.

My contribution has been proceedural because I have talked countless times on the subjects raised by PambosNY and I largely agree with him with his judgement. Yet I am not a TC.

Thnaks you my friend. Yes, it's so typical of people like kifeas to resort to this kind of unreasonable behavior when faced with ideas that they are not accustomed to. This not only shows the lack of willingness to discusss but also reveals the fallacy of kifeas-like beliefs.

You see if ones ideas are based on lies there's a limited number of arguments one can employ to defend his position, after a while he has to resort to...well... paranoia and belief in consipracies and ghosts!

_________________
Denktas: I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted "NO".
Papadopoulos: I thank God G/Cs are so naive, so I can still be The Mr. President..

You are allowed to be whatever you want to be. It makes no difference to me. There is nothing really that I would want to discuss with you, simply because you have very little clue of what you are saying. Your previous postings simply prove that you have very superficial knowledge of past events and even worst ability to analyse them properly. I could easily prove you to be so and make you look like a complete fool but I will not bother as your level of arguing ability is below zero.

As a quick example I will remind you that you claimed to almost be an expert on the Annan plan, in fact you said you know it even better than I do, (what an arrogance on your behalf to say so before you even know me and get to know the extent to which I master the details of the plan,) but before the rooster crowed you proved your ineptness by saying that the percentage of GCs to be permitted to return under the TC state under the Annan plan was only 10%, something which is not just totally wrong but it is also an important detail for someone claiming to have read the plan, not to be remembering it well.

[PambosNY]

What is stopping you from asking these short and sweet questions Kifeas? It appears to me that you are in possession of a lie detector but the big question that springs to mind every time you go into this mood is why do you not deal with the ideas and arguments of fellow posters but instead you question their motives? We have had a fair share of "fights" over the months and never for one moment did I question your motives, yet you choose to employ the same ploy with each and every user who expresses a different opinion to yours. This, I am sorry to say, shows severe lack of political and social culture. To be looking fo alterior motive all the time is like trying to put an end to the seeking of ideas and this in itself is backward and completely unacceptable.

My contribution has been proceedural because I have talked countless times on the subjects raised by PambosNY and I largely agree with him with his judgement. Yet I am not a TC.

Thnaks you my friend. Yes, it's so typical of people like kifeas to resort to this kind of unreasonable behavior when faced with ideas that they are not accustomed to. This not only shows the lack of willingness to discusss but also reveals the fallacy of kifeas-like beliefs.

You see if ones ideas are based on lies there's a limited number of arguments one can employ to defend his position, after a while he has to resort to...well... paranoia and belief in consipracies and ghosts!

_________________
Denktas: I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted "NO".
Papadopoulos: I thank God G/Cs are so naive, so I can still be The Mr. President..

You are allowed to be whatever you want to be. It makes no difference to me. There is nothing really that I would want to discuss with you, simply because you have very little clue of what you are saying. Your previous postings simply prove that you have very superficial knowledge of past events and even worst ability to analyse them properly. I could easily prove you to be so and make you look like a complete fool but I will not bother as your level of arguing ability is below zero.

As a quick example I will remind you that you claimed to almost be an expert on the Annan plan, in fact you said you know it even better than I do, (what an arrogance on your behalf to say so before you even know me and get to know the extent to which I master the details of the plan,) but before the rooster crowed you proved your ineptness by saying that the percentage of GCs to be permitted to return under the TC state under the Annan plan was only 10%, something which is not just totally wrong but it is also an important detail for someone claiming to have read the plan, not to be remembering it well.

We get the message my friend. You simply have no more arguments! As you feel that you already know everything, thus you feel no need to discuss the facts. My sources are well researched but really it does not take much research to figure out what happened, all it takes is common sense and lack of national fanaticism. All you have to do is examine the FACTS and not the lies and half-truths as disseminated by the nationalist propaganda instruments of the Cypriot society. The truth is so obvious really, it does not take a genious (nor do i claim to be one) to realize that our problems in Cyprus are for the most part a direct result of our NATIONALIST ideologies that we so passionately and idiotically still follow.

Regarding your critisicms I take them as a compliment, no worries.

Now bow down and praise the arch-racist Makarios and his modern incarnations such as El Presidente Natiolanista Papadopoulos All-I-wanna-is-dihotomisis-cant-ya-get-it. Oh and don't forget to kiss the priests ass and thank them for making G/Cs sucjh good Christians by never ceasing to remind us that is our "Christian" duty is to hate the Turks.

God Bless You and God Bless Cyprus.

[Kifeas]

We get the message my friend. You simply have no more arguments! As you feel that you already know everything, thus you feel no need to discuss the facts. My sources are well researched but really it does not take much research to figure out what happened, all it takes is common sense and lack of national fanaticism. All you have to do is examine the FACTS and not the lies and half-truths as disseminated by the nationalist propaganda instruments of the Cypriot society. The truth is so obvious really, it does not take a genious (nor do i claim to be one) to realize that our problems in Cyprus are for the most part a direct result of our NATIONALIST ideologies that we so passionately and idiotically still follow.

Regarding your critisicms I take them as a compliment, no worries.

Now bow down and praise the arch-racist Makarios and his modern incarnations such as El Presidente Natiolanista Papadopoulos All-I-wanna-is-dihotomisis-cant-ya-get-it. Oh and don't forget to kiss the priests ass and thank them for making G/Cs sucjh good Christians by never ceasing to remind us that is our "Christian" duty is to hate the Turks.

God Bless You and God Bless Cyprus.

Apart from acting like a typical opinionated sloganist, do you have any facts and /or evidence to support what you are saying?

Where do you base your argument that Papadopoullos is today such a nationalist as you perceive him to be and where do you base your assumption that all he wants is partition? I argue than none of them stand true and accurate! Can you provide us with any such evidence to support your allegations, or they are simply a mere perception that you have and which pushes you to resort to slogans and frothy raves.

I am not kissing any priest's ass, but can you tell us for example where did you hear or read that the priests never cease to remind us that it is our "Christian" duty to hate the Turks?

Furthermore, do you know what percentage of GCs are practicing religion and even further, follow and /or pay any serious attention to what the priests say in relation to political matters? I argue that it is no more than 5% of the people of Cyprus.

May I ask for how long you have been away from Cyprus?

[BirKibrisli]

Hello,PambosNY,
Before I pose my questions I think you should know that I am a TC refugee from Paphos now living in Australia.
You blame the entire Cyprus tragedy on Makarios and his cronies in the Akritas plan.Do you think Denktash and his cronies in the TMT had anything to do with where we are now in Cyprus?I too naturally was told that everything was the fault of the GCs,till I found out from very reliable sources that TMT was up to some remarkably creative tricks to incite hatred between the two communities.Like writing anti-Turkish slogans in Greek on mosques and in blue paint,like killing innocent TCs for supporting the Republic and blaming it on the GCs.
My dear friend,you are entitled to your opinions,obviously,but it will not help us find a solution if we accuse only one of the warring sides in this dispute.I believe we all have to come clean,admit our wrongs,ask each other for forgiveness,and try to put everything behind us,before a truly just and lasting solution can be found.Any solution,like the one proposed by Annan,cannot lead to peaceful coexistence if most people will not see it as just or equitable.It will only take us back to 1960,and we will still have to negotiate a solution which will not be resented by the majority in Cyprus.That is why I keep harping on about the need of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for Cyprus,but noone seems to think that will work under the circumstances.I pull my hair (what's left of it) in despair every time I see people argue that only one side was at fault.This is the sure recipe to keep this conflict going for another 50 years,and where will we all be at the end of that?