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[Lordo]

In all 47 years of negotiations i have never heard one comment as to what would be acceptable as a peace proposal coming from any politician. anybody got any info for this.

so what exactly is it that would be acceptable as peace compromise to our greek cypriot friends.

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Peace on you.

[Mapko]

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Lordo...It seems that what is acceptable to the Turkics (the skata Annan Plan - with everything ceded to the north and their masters) was never going to be acceptable to us. For starters, how about:
1. The removal of all Turkic troops and illegal settlers;
2. The removal of all barriers and freedom to move around the island as we wish;
3. The re-naming of all place to their proper, original titles (where is Lefkosa?);
4. The restoration of all churches and remuneration packages for the restores;
5. The removal of that f*cking flag!

We're not asking for too much and not asking for anything that is out of your control.
What would you want? Keep it manageable - don't be stupid and say 'The death of all Greeks'.

(Please bear in mind, these are only starters).

[Lordo]

peace on all those who peace on anybody else including the beast.

now we are talking. lets take your first point. but your spell check is about 400 years old. no problem getting back to the 600 turkish soldiers as per pre 74 as it is part of the guarantee agreement. but of course the national guard will have to go too including all greek soldiers in the national guard. if you want those removed you will have give elsewhere. But what exactly is illegal settlers. I am afraid they do not exist only in your minds. i noticed you did not mention anything about people who were driven out of cyprus in the 60s and early 70s with military and economic suffocation.

agree with your second point about barriers too and allow all those who wish to return to return. lefkosa has been there for centuries. you refer to it as lefkosia and we call it lefkosa nicosia is a british invention and we all know how you boys like the british more then your turkish friends.
I have no time for your churches or mosques. and about the flags I agree with you. but my understanding is that it is on private property. so I am afraid it will be hard to remove them.

talking of flags i have seen hundreds of establishments with only the greek flag in the south. what's that all about.

[Mapko]

There's nothing wrong with my spell checker, Mongol.

Like the Jews when they murdered and terrorised anyone and everyone after WWII - anyone who wants to come back to the island, may do so.

Are you trying to tell me that Turkey did not send over the scum of the country to rid the land of them and to increase the numbers of Turkics in the illegally occupied north? This has just been made up by the Greeks and the whole world!

Ah, that's correct - so you do know what it's called and you can use it's proper name. Lekosia, well, that's a start. Now, we all know that the Turkics got into bed with the Brits and that's how you used Bren guns and other British-made weapons on us, whilst we only had side-by-side shotguns.

No, no - you mis-understood. I'm on about THAT flag - the b*stard flag that is lit up every night.

If you can fly the Turkic flag, we can fly the blue-white.

[kurupetos]

peace on all those who peace on anybody else including the beast.

Who's the beast?

[Lordo]

There's nothing wrong with my spell checker, Mongol.

Like the Jews when they murdered and terrorised anyone and everyone after WWII - anyone who wants to come back to the island, may do so.

Are you trying to tell me that Turkey did not send over the scum of the country to rid the land of them and to increase the numbers of Turkics in the illegally occupied north? This has just been made up by the Greeks and the whole world!

Ah, that's correct - so you do know what it's called and you can use it's proper name. Lekosia, well, that's a start. Now, we all know that the Turkics got into bed with the Brits and that's how you used Bren guns and other British-made weapons on us, whilst we only had side-by-side shotguns.

No, no - you mis-understood. I'm on about THAT flag - the b*stard flag that is lit up every night.

If you can fly the Turkic flag, we can fly the blue-white.

is that what you read. my god you have so much to learn. don't stop now will you.
if the ethnic cleansing was not started in 1963 i suspect we would not be having this conversation, unfortunately you will pay for what you ancestor committed. now pay attention you hear. you may actually learn something that is useful.

I was talking about that flag too. it is on private property.

[Mapko]

Animosity between the two sides goes back way, way further than 1963 - how about 1571, when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus! After the war was won, the mainland Ottomans gave their victorious soldiers land on the island and the fore-runners of the Turkic Cypriots were born.

I'm listening and listening, but I hear nothing but blinkered Turkic propaganda that means nothing. All the talk is a cover for the atrocities you committed.

[Get Real!]

In all 47 years of negotiations i have never heard one comment as to what would be acceptable as a peace proposal coming from any politician.

Err, maybe the fact that there’s been no war for 38 years has something to do with the lack of peace proposals!

[Piratis]

if the ethnic cleansing was not started in 1963 i suspect we would not be having this conversation, unfortunately you will pay for what you ancestor committed.

You are lying again. The aim of the TC leadership and Turkey was partition. Resettling TCs and then ethnically cleansing everybody else was part of the Turkish partition plan, something that your leader Denktash has admitted. It just didn't work as you hoped in the 60s, and most of the TCs returned to their own homes by 1968. In the 60s the TCs even forced the Armenians out of the Armenian sector of Nicosia.

The conflict in the 60s was a continuation of the inter-communal conflict that TCs started against us in the 50s, with the aim to help UK and Turkey to refuse to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination so that they (UK, Turkey, Turkish minority in Cyprus) would have gains on the expense of the majority of the Cypriot population. Yet you selectively choose a tiny section of our history out of context, you distort it, and then you tell us: "you will pay for what you ancestor committed".

Really? So we have to be punished because our ancestors for a mere decade responded in kind to your crimes against us? What about your punishment for the crimes of your own ancestors and your own crimes which you continue to commit now? All the problems between us started when your ancestors, without any provocation from our, invaded our island, butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots, and then went on to oppress the Cypriot people for over 3 centuries. Then just 80 years after the end of Ottoman rule you again collaborated with foreign imperialists, attacked us starting a conflict, and imposed on us by force and blackmail an undemocratic and racist system. And now and for the last 38 years you illegally occupy our lands, keeping 200.000 Cypriots out of their own homes.

And then you tell us that we have to be punished because of what our ancestors did and you should be rewarded on our expense, when your own ancestors and yourselves now are the ones who for the 99% of our common history on this island were the ones who were committing the crimes?

As long as you are looking for lame excuses to cause yet more harm to the Cypriot people there will be no peace in Cyprus.

After the end of Ottoman rule we forgave you of 100s of years of oppression against us, and until 1958 when you started the conflict we lived together with relatively few problems between us. And we are now willing to forgive you again for almost 4 decades of illegal occupation. On the other hand you are selectively choosing and distorting a tiny part of our common history, trying to use that as an excuse to demand that we should be punished and you should be rewarded on our expense. Is this your idea of how to achieve peace?

An acceptable peace proposal is one that does not compromise universally accepted principles such as freedom, democracy, human rights and equality of all citizens without racist discriminations. Such issues shouldn't even be negotiated but should be taken as a given for any kind of real solution. Unfortunately you keep 1/3rd of our island as hostage and use it to blackmail us and force us to agree on a "solution" that doesn't include any of the above. So even if one day your blackmail works (as it did in 1960) and we are forced to agree on some undemocratic and racist "agreement", that will not be the solution of the Cyprus Problem, nor it will bring peace.