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[ZoC]

...ZoC, i assume you can answer my questions for vp, maybe from them he can understand his own position more clearly.

whether you agree with me or not, can you at least demonstrate that my dialog with our confrere has more than a Greek Conspiracy within it.

...bloody hell, do you at least understand my posts?

Bicommunal means that the dwellers of Cyprus, its Citizens, are Cypriot, they have as well the Liberty of being Greeks and Turks as Constituencies.

don't ask me, tovarich... i'm in a hotel in paphos where most of the guests (and staff) have taken the liberty of talking in russkiye (russian).

i wouldn't worry about, vp. he doesn't know his sole from his arsoul.

[bill cobbett]

...ZoC, i assume you can answer my questions for vp, maybe from them he can understand his own position more clearly.

whether you agree with me or not, can you at least demonstrate that my dialog with our confrere has more than a Greek Conspiracy within it.

...bloody hell, do you at least understand my posts?

Bicommunal means that the dwellers of Cyprus, its Citizens, are Cypriot, they have as well the Liberty of being Greeks and Turks as Constituencies.

don't ask me, tovarich... i'm in a hotel in paphos where most of the guests (and staff) have taken the liberty of talking in russkiye (russian).

i wouldn't worry about, vp. he doesn't know his sole from his arsoul.

Ah goody and excellent Zoccarovich ... just what is needed... can you ask your russian friends where the email contact address for the President of Kyrgyzstan is on this Russian language web-site please...

http://www.president.kg/ru

[Viewpoint]

None of your GCs buddies accept a Greek Constituency, can you get 1 GCs to support this notion

...dude, i'm not talking to our buddies, i am talking to you. as a TC as you call it, can you live with Greeks as equals (as well as others if this is chosen), because there is a Greek Constituency as well as a Cypriot State, and a Turkish Constituency (,at least).

would you live in such a Country; you, personally? where the Federation unites all Individuals and as Citizens to defend (and better) their Individual Rights, because as National Assemblies, within their Territorial Jurisdictions, distinct identities are sustained with their electors closer to their tax dollars as Persons.

...is this not Bicommunal? (do you dare agree with me)

...don't you agree that the Cypriot Flag should be flown everywhere, and that in parts it is natural to see Greek Flags, and Turkish Flags?

The clarification necessary is how will the federal structure work, we have established that there will be 2 states in which everyone can move around and settle freely.

You have given us an upper house with 53 GC votes and 50 TC votes, this as you know cannot never be accepted as that would give the GCs the freedom to do as they wish.

You still have not answered my questions.

[Viewpoint]

You as in the GCs and Armenians and Maronites are them, you are on the other side of the fence table call it what you will so they have no voice as they sold their soles to the GCs by accepting minority rights among your people.

u do talk a load of cobblers...

And you a load of shit.

[ZoC]

You as in the GCs and Armenians and Maronites are them, you are on the other side of the fence table call it what you will so they have no voice as they sold their soles to the GCs by accepting minority rights among your people.

u do talk a load of cobblers...

And you a load of shit.

u wouldn't recognise shit if u were wallowing knee deep in it.

[bill cobbett]

You as in the GCs and Armenians and Maronites are them, you are on the other side of the fence table call it what you will so they have no voice as they sold their soles to the GCs by accepting minority rights among your people.

u do talk a load of cobblers...

And you a load of shit.

u wouldn't recognise shit if u were wallowing knee deep in it.

... err ... have reasons to think that VP does live knee-deep in it in real life file...

[repulsewarrior]

vp, i still don't think you understand (in my Cyprus) how you will vote, typically how anyone votes.

as a voter, you will vote for your five representatives: Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Maronite, and an Independant for the Lower House.

how the Federal structure will work can be defined by what is an Individual Right, and what are Personal Liberties, the domain of the Constituencies.

for example, the Federal Government enacts Legislation that is an Educational Standard for all Citizens, the Constituencies would apply this Law in a manner which serves its Electors and their Educational System.

another, each Constituency would have a Civil Structure of Equal Power, but quite different: Police, Health, Social, Land, etc. while, the Federal Government has these responsibilities to defend as Universal Principals, as well as Criminal Law, Legal Registries, and matters of State.

...can you see how your vote at the Federal level and the Constituent level are powerful tools?

...have you figured out why i harp about a population of 11 million?

...by identifying the "Greeks" and the "Turks" amongst us as each set's issue, (and where Hate when it is Identified, is a Crime against us all,) by standing united because we are more than just "Greeks" and "Turks", as Cypriots, we are Individuals and Human Beings, we can live as Greeks, and as Turks; do you see that?

[Mapko]

In a real democratic society, it's one person equals one vote. In 1964 the population was split between 77% Greek Cypriots and 18% Turkic Cypriots, but you don't like those odds so, for equality's sake, what you really want is one Greek Cypriot equals one vote, one Turkic Cypriot equals 4.3 votes. How can this happen? How can you expect one Turkic Cypriot's vote to have over four times the power of a Greek Cypriot's vote? This is madness.

[repulsewarrior]

Mapko, you too have "one" vote because it would be exactly the same as vp. if there are Parties that fight for the Leadership of the Upper House, by a majority of seats , don't you think that they will fill all the slates in all the electoral ridings, to win? and if this is the case, does it really matter if a Party has a Turkish or a Greek Leader, because it is their Policies which are the basis of the voters' intent.

[Mapko]

RW...yes, I have one vote and in a democratic society it wouldn't matter which party was in as long as they were for the whole of the people and not just the ones who voted them in. The Turkics don't want proportional representation they want unnproportional representation - like the Armenians and Kurds in Turkey have - where the rights of the few outweigh those of the many. Can you see a Turk being impartial when there's a quarrel a Turk and a Greek (to show my impartiality, the same could be said of vice versa)?

What I was getting at was the Turk Cypriots wanted equality with us but it could never happen in proportional representation. The only way anything can be fair in Cyprus - and this sticks in my throat to say it - is for the country to stay divided.