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[repulsewarrior]

...bicommunal cannot mean two states. it means One State, and states within.

this does not serve "Greeks" and "Turks", although for the rest of us, i mean those who look at ourselves as members of a bigger Humanity called Mankind, it is what is right.

lordo being equal to "Greeks" means you are just like them. can you live with that, just so you can call yourself a "Turk"?

[Lordo]

...bicommunal cannot mean two states. it means One State, and states within.

this does not serve "Greeks" and "Turks", although for the rest of us, i mean those who look at ourselves as members of a bigger Humanity called Mankind, it is what is right.

lordo being equal to "Greeks" means you are just like them. can you live with that, just so you can call yourself a "Turk"?

if being equal means i am just like bill i am afraid i have to insist on two states.

[bill cobbett]

...bicommunal cannot mean two states. it means One State, and states within.

this does not serve "Greeks" and "Turks", although for the rest of us, i mean those who look at ourselves as members of a bigger Humanity called Mankind, it is what is right.

lordo being equal to "Greeks" means you are just like them. can you live with that, just so you can call yourself a "Turk"?

if being equal means i am just like bill i am afraid i have to insist on two states.

Likewise... BillC insists you keep to your own zone... comprising no more than 12% of CY land area of course.

[Viewpoint]

How did you calculate 12%? population % does not equal land % get this into your thick skulls. what if 1 person owned 20% of the island but was included in the 12% population?

[Piratis]

Instead of appreciating the fact that your minority has its language as an official language in Cyprus, you use this as a lame excuse to ask for more and more on our expense.

There are other minorities which have their language as an official language in the countries they live. Russian for example is official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan because of the minorities of Russian speakers that live in those countries. There are several other examples also, such as Kurdish, which is official language in Iraq, while in Turkey the 20% of Kurds that live there are not even allowed to speak their own language in public.

It is not us that need to learn. It is you that should learn some basic principles that are applied in all normal civilized democratic countries.

i am glad you brought up the kurdish situation. now there is an example of single state one man one vote democracy that does not work. so what makes you think it will work here. how many kurdish villages did turkey kill all the inhabitants and buried them in mass graves. what makes you think that the turkish cypriots will ever trust you with their lives ever again. when it comes to language the reason why the ussr republics have russian as an official language is becasue the russians are also the founding nation.

when it comes to me using the language officiality to ask for more rights it is total nonsense. all the turkish cypriots want is to live in peace. judging by what has happened between 63 and 74 that can only happen under bbf. only future generations can decide how much closer to get.

but don't worry about the turkish cypriots in 5 years they will reach one million.

The only reason those former USSR Republics have Russian as official language is to accommodate the Russian Speaking minorities. Nothing more.

I have already explained the huge difference between the Kurds in Turkey and the TC minority in Cyprus. The Kurks inhabited their own territory long before the Turks occupied them. On the contrary the TCs are a minority created in Cyprus during the Turkish occupation and they never had a separate territory of their own.

If all TCs want is to live in peace then why did they start all these wars and conflicts against us? Why didn't they just let the Cypriot people to democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island and you instead attacked us and collaborated with foreign imperialists with the aim to impose your will by force? What TCs and Turkey want is not peace. What they want is to steal our lands and undemocratically impose their racist terms on Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis do you really believe that we TCs will want to become a Greek island as you demand? where we have to allow you the freedom to administer democracy and equality for all? knowing your chequered past track record.

[Piratis]

VP, unlike you we are civilized people and all we ever fought for is freedom and democracy. On the other hand your past track record (and present) is filled with invasions, ethnic cleansings and genocides against innocent native people whom you invaded and stole their lands.

In Cyprus we have many other minorities and we have no problems with any of them, except with yours. On the other hand in Turkey they have problems with all their minorities. So it is clear who doesn't know how to administer democracy and who is causing the problems.

[Viewpoint]

VP, unlike you we are civilized people and all we ever fought for is freedom and democracy. On the other hand your past track record (and present) is filled with invasions, ethnic cleansings and genocides against innocent native people whom you invaded and stole their lands.

In Cyprus we have many other minorities and we have no problems with any of them, except with yours. On the other hand in Turkey they have problems with all their minorities. So it is clear who doesn't know how to administer democracy and who is causing the problems.

Firstly you will not be left at our mercy we will be at yours you being the majority plus your track record when dealing with us is very checkered and dubious thats why there is absolutely no trust between the 2 sides, over the years you GCs have done absolutely nothing towards proving you have changed and can be trusted with the future of all Cypriots. Your ideology is just as it was back in the 1960s that Cyprus is a Greek island and we TCs are not partners but just another minority to be dominated exploited and discriminated against.

You keep referring back to the Kurds your double standards are sickening do you support their plight for their own nation? I do....do you? are they fighting for what they believe is right? but in the same breath you deny me the same right because you argue that the TCs do not own a specific area of Cyprus but we have a partnership agreement with veto rights which like it or night gives us rights in the sovereignty of the land private ownership will be respected when you respect our right to establish our own recognized country. The compromise for Tcs is here they will accept a BBF with political equality of the 2 states as support by the UN which you reject.

[Lordo]

...bicommunal cannot mean two states. it means One State, and states within.

this does not serve "Greeks" and "Turks", although for the rest of us, i mean those who look at ourselves as members of a bigger Humanity called Mankind, it is what is right.

lordo being equal to "Greeks" means you are just like them. can you live with that, just so you can call yourself a "Turk"?

if being equal means i am just like bill i am afraid i have to insist on two states.

Likewise... BillC insists you keep to your own zone... comprising no more than 12% of CY land area of course.

where on earth did you get that figure from. you have been looking at the cooked books of the roc land registry again. i told you before not to look at those books they will make you turn chinese.

whats wrong with simply allowing all those tcs who wish to sell their property on the free market and allowing all those gcs who wish to sell their property in the north on the free market too. it is the only way it can be done. the percentages will sort themsleves out, assuming that all the tc kotchans that have been stolen by those fraudsters at the roc land registry are returned to their original owners. there are maps pre roc which will show all the stolen land. including varosa i may add.

then we shall see what percentage needs to be returned.

but don't wait another 47 years before you act otherwise we shall have 2 million tcs and then they will demand one man one vote and single zone.

[Lordo]

Instead of appreciating the fact that your minority has its language as an official language in Cyprus, you use this as a lame excuse to ask for more and more on our expense.

There are other minorities which have their language as an official language in the countries they live. Russian for example is official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan because of the minorities of Russian speakers that live in those countries. There are several other examples also, such as Kurdish, which is official language in Iraq, while in Turkey the 20% of Kurds that live there are not even allowed to speak their own language in public.

It is not us that need to learn. It is you that should learn some basic principles that are applied in all normal civilized democratic countries.

i am glad you brought up the kurdish situation. now there is an example of single state one man one vote democracy that does not work. so what makes you think it will work here. how many kurdish villages did turkey kill all the inhabitants and buried them in mass graves. what makes you think that the turkish cypriots will ever trust you with their lives ever again. when it comes to language the reason why the ussr republics have russian as an official language is becasue the russians are also the founding nation.

when it comes to me using the language officiality to ask for more rights it is total nonsense. all the turkish cypriots want is to live in peace. judging by what has happened between 63 and 74 that can only happen under bbf. only future generations can decide how much closer to get.

but don't worry about the turkish cypriots in 5 years they will reach one million.

The only reason those former USSR Republics have Russian as official language is to accommodate the Russian Speaking minorities. Nothing more.

I have already explained the huge difference between the Kurds in Turkey and the TC minority in Cyprus. The Kurks inhabited their own territory long before the Turks occupied them. On the contrary the TCs are a minority created in Cyprus during the Turkish occupation and they never had a separate territory of their own.

If all TCs want is to live in peace then why did they start all these wars and conflicts against us? Why didn't they just let the Cypriot people to democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island and you instead attacked us and collaborated with foreign imperialists with the aim to impose your will by force? What TCs and Turkey want is not peace. What they want is to steal our lands and undemocratically impose their racist terms on Cyprus.

You could piratis so long as you did not force your decision on the tc nation. surely if you demand respect you must give it too. of course you could have your enosis if that was what you wanted but only with your part of the island. tcs never wanted to be part of greece and you canoot and will not make them. period.