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[repulsewarrior]

If it's the only way to unify Cyprus - to have two communities - I would accept.

:Mapko

...i would accept if there are more than two communities, (Bicommunal); i would accept anything where we are not torn in two, and where Justice seen some return as they left, as communities (Bizonal).

you Lordo, what do you say?

[repulsewarrior]

Now we have a bit more clarity, what you propose is that parties who wish to represent the country have to produce 50GC 50TC 2Armenian and 2Maronites. Lets say they have been elected and a law is to be passed all the GCs within the party have to do is get 51 votes to force the bill through, am I right? with 50 +2+2= 54...we dont stand a chance in hell to oppose anything detremental to our state. Please explain how the TCs will stop a bill when the balance is clearly tipped in favor of the GCs, is this what you are trying to achieve? why not have a minimum threshold of say 50% of members from each ethnic group with the Maronites and Armenians being thrown into the GC mix and they had no back bone in fighting for a BBF with political equality.

calmly, there are something more than 100 electoral districts, in each riding 5 slates are prepared where the voter votes, once on each slate. you cannot imagine a single Party winning all the Greek seats, nor can you imagine a Turkish Party winning all and only the Turkish Seats, each Party will win some of both, the ones who cannot get votes from both haven't much of a chance at all. if all the Greeks stood united, and the Maronite and the Armenians joined them, vp what does that say, you know that getting Greeks to agree on anything is near impossible, so let's not go to the dark side of the moon. your suggestion, is racist, beside it being facile, pardon me, "thrown into the GC mix..."; you still don't get it, you vote by residence (in all elections), no one gets the pleasure of voting as a "Greek" or a "Turk", or a "Russian", for that matter, your National Assembly is where all electors living as Turkish Cypriots have this voice being Persons, being an Individual (as well) you must reconsider, again, thank-you.

[Viewpoint]

Now we have a bit more clarity, what you propose is that parties who wish to represent the country have to produce 50GC 50TC 2Armenian and 2Maronites. Lets say they have been elected and a law is to be passed all the GCs within the party have to do is get 51 votes to force the bill through, am I right? with 50 +2+2= 54...we dont stand a chance in hell to oppose anything detremental to our state. Please explain how the TCs will stop a bill when the balance is clearly tipped in favor of the GCs, is this what you are trying to achieve? why not have a minimum threshold of say 50% of members from each ethnic group with the Maronites and Armenians being thrown into the GC mix and they had no back bone in fighting for a BBF with political equality.

calmly, there are something more than 100 electoral districts, in each riding 5 slates are prepared where the voter votes, once on each slate. you cannot imagine a single Party winning all the Greek seats, nor can you imagine a Turkish Party winning all and only the Turkish Seats, each Party will win some of both, the ones who cannot get votes from both haven't much of a chance at all. if all the Greeks stood united, and the Maronite and the Armenians joined them, vp what does that say, you know that getting Greeks to agree on anything is near impossible, so let's not go to the dark side of the moon. your suggestion, is racist, beside it being facile, pardon me, "thrown into the GC mix..."; you still don't get it, you vote by residence (in all elections), no one gets the pleasure of voting as a "Greek" or a "Turk", or a "Russian", for that matter, your National Assembly is where all electors living as Turkish Cypriots have this voice being Persons, being an Individual (as well) you must reconsider, again, thank-you.

Now this is where you need to get realistic, can 80% of the voting population vote for purely racists GC parties, in theeory yes, in reality a very high risk as we are talking about revenge seeking GCs who want pay back for the past even the chance that your system can be manipulated to a point where we will be in danger send shivers down our spines and reminds us of a time when even to set up a business we were forced to take on Gc partners or we were not allowed on certain beaches...no thanks we do not want to go to that dark place ever again the TRNC with all its problems is more than enough for us.

As for your continuous we are all humans so the same is bull shit give a GC power to crush the TCs an believe me he will use it, if that is the canse then the Armenians and Maronites are humans and can be thrown into your human pool we prefer not to be included as we have fought hard for our rights and will not be duped into some "we are all humans shit" there has to be plenty of checks and balances to make sure a balance is struck and that neither side can be pushed out of the equation.

[Lordo]

If it's the only way to unify Cyprus - to have two communities - I would accept.

:Mapko

...i would accept if there are more than two communities, (Bicommunal); i would accept anything where we are not torn in two, and where Justice seen some return as they left, as communities (Bizonal).

you Lordo, what do you say?

agree 100% one country two zones. bizonal untill the new generation wants mono zone. and then we are where we all want to be.

[kurupetos]

If it's the only way to unify Cyprus - to have two communities - I would accept.

:Mapko

...i would accept if there are more than two communities, (Bicommunal); i would accept anything where we are not torn in two, and where Justice seen some return as they left, as communities (Bizonal).

you Lordo, what do you say?

agree 100% one country two zones. bizonal untill the new generation wants mono zone. and then we are where we all want to be.

Disguised partition will lead to actual partition, and not unification.

[Lordo]

you just ahve to move away from the rhetoric and be calm. full unification can only happen if the new generation wants it and we have to create the environment that it would be beneficial.

even the settlers do not want seperation. which planet do you live on. see how they voted for Talat. their gc friends let them down by voting for xristofias.
shame

[kurupetos]

you just ahve to move away from the rhetoric and be calm. full unification can only happen if the new generation wants it and we have to create the environment that it would be beneficial.

even the settlers do not want seperation. which planet do you live on. see how they voted for Talat. their gc friends let them down by voting for xristofias.
shame

Who cares what the settlers want? They are here illegally and they must leave whatever the solution will be.

[Lordo]

you will find they were brought in to make up for all the tcs you people drove out of cyprus. i know two wrongs dont make a right but we live in current no in the past.

as they are our guest we will decide who goes and who stays. if any time you are asked you may voice your opinion and it will be taken into account. but you lost the right to force the issue in 1963 when your fanatcis shot cemaliye.

no go find yourself a duck. and cook it turkish style

[kurupetos]

you will find they were brought in to make up for all the tcs you people drove out of cyprus. i know two wrongs dont make a right but we live in current no in the past.

as they are our guest we will decide who goes and who stays. if any time you are asked you may voice your opinion and it will be taken into account. but you lost the right to force the issue in 1963 when your fanatcis shot cemaliye.

no go find yourself a duck. and cook it turkish style

Do you want to play maths? How many TCs have been killed? How many GCs?
If you want to be fair in your calculations, you will soon realise that not only every settler should be deported, but also that many TCs should be executed to balance the equation.

The act of paramilitary organisations like EOKA B, TMT, etc. do not justify Turkey's acts toward ethnic cleansing. We can only hope for a settlement when you fools realise that no divisional and foreign intervention clauses are alllowed in the agreement.

[repulsewarrior]

vp:

Now this is where you need to get realistic, can 80% of the voting population vote for purely racists GC parties

firstly, you assume that all the Parties that will be lead by Greeks are fanatics, racists. you, as a Turk would you vote for them? so let's assume it gets to that, 80% of 80%, add in the others as you say, and let's assume that nothing changes forever, do the math, you be realistic, a "Greek", like that, has no chance to win, there will surely be Greeks, like Turks, and your children, who respect the fact that we are already passed the Modern Age, and if they don't have the vote, they will soon.

...even if you vp, it seems, are still struggling with the idea of moving into it; we as Individuals do not give up this Individuality, to be Persons.

secondly, although i respect your questions, no one gets to be just a "Turk", or just a "Greek", not you, not me, not anyone. it is insulting to say that Turks are not Human (and it is what you are saying), because you can toss in the rest with the Greeks, as Humans. be serious, please.

@ Lordo,

thanks; interesting that you expect Cyprus to evolve into a simple Unitary State. i expect though, that Cypriots will appreciate and enjoy their diversity, capitalising on this ability as service providers to their trading partners Internationally.

i understand kurupetos' fear, it too is based on Injustice, and it is not without merit either. whereas the worst in a Human's character seems a norm, it is an extreme, just like the best in Human character.