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[Kikapu]

Well, the answer is a "NO", of course, but that does not mean Turkey won't go for it all the same, just because Turkey's leaders are delusional fools and as the Americans called Davutoglu, the "Clueless Idiot". I have many times stated, that Turkey is a toothless Tiger and a country without convictions, but only an opportunist in trying to get what ever she can for herself at the least cost, much like scavengers really, after the heavy lifting is done by others first, as the case was in Libya.

Early last year Turkey was talking big about playing a leading role in Syria, but that's because Turkey thought, mistakenly I may add, that the west and NATO would back Turkey in what ever they wanted to do. I have also stated many times, that Turkey is not a trusted NATO member and that the west and NATO have been egging Turkey on to enter Syria on her own, but Turkey has been very reluctant to take the bait. But now, Turkey will need to house thousands of refugees pouring in from Syria, because Erdogan last year said something like, "all Syrians are our brothers and sisters and we have room for them ALL in Turkey if they wished to come here". Well, they have been coming for a while and the pace has picked up in the recent weeks, because the fighting has also picked up in Syria in recent weeks because of the fighters trained and armed by Turkey to take on the Syrian army. But now, close to 100,000 refugees has been coming from Syria and Turkey has suddenly wants to start rolling up the "Red Carpet" right from under their feet. The refugees are becoming burdensome and are no longer seen as "brothers and sisters" as once acclaimed by Erdogan. Maybe Erdogan thought there were less than 100,000 people living in Syria in the first place. Who knows what these delusional idiots were thinking at that time. Did I say, "thinking". Sorry, slip of the tongue.

Why do I get the feeling Turkey is being set up by the west to get Turkey neck deep into Syria. Could it be the west could solve many of the regional problems by killing (solving) many birds with one stone. Is the west looking and hoping for Turkey to get a "bloody nose" in a Syrian involvement without the backing of the west and NATO to solve the Armenian issues, Kurdish issues and Cyprus issues and breaking Turkey up, which would also solve Turkey's EU issues also. For the west, they like nothing more than building up a 3rd world nations militarily over period of years to serve their purposes, and than tear them down in shreds in no time once they have outlived their usefulness. Turkey fits that bill very well for the west. Looks like "turkey" may be the main dish on the menu for the west to feast on in the near future!

Can Turkey pursue an imperial foreign policy?

İHSAN DAĞI
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Turks love to describe their country as “the leader country,” “the regional power,” “the great Turkey,” etc. This may be a longing for the long-lost imperial days during the reign of the Ottoman Empire. This social and psychological longing has been voiced by the Turkish government as well in recent years.

I think the Syrian crisis testing Turkey's capabilities in its “backyard” is an opportunity for the Turks to come to terms with the romantic nature of their ambitions and the hard realities on the ground.

Facing all these problems on the ground, Turkish authorities feel abandoned and even betrayed by the Western allies. The recent UN Security Council meeting proved once more that Turkey, at least at the moment, is on its own to deal with the Syrian crisis. It is ironic that Turkey, which at the beginning of the crisis openly competed with France to be the primary supporters of the Syrian opposition, today relies on France in the UN Security Council to remedy its refugee problem.

The Syrian crisis might be a good lesson for Turkish government about the cost of pursuing an “imperial policy in Turkey's backyard.”

read on
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-29 ... olicy.html

[Mapko]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

[supporttheunderdog]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

They are arriving already but trying to cross to the unocupied area and the EU.- This probably with the occupation forces at best turning a blind-eye if not being active participants in the game.

[kimon07]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

There is no way the Turks would allow Syrians to come to the North. They are Arabs and, additionally, there is a historical enmity between Syrians and Turks.

[B25]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

They are arriving already but trying to cross to the unocupied area and the EU.- This probably with the occupation forces at best turning a blind-eye if not being active participants in the game.

Of corse they are participating just as the do with the illegals into Greece. The RoC should start demanding financial assistance to ombat this illegal immigration and the bill then passed onto turkey FFS.

[Mapko]

Kimon07...If that is the case, then mainland Turks don't want the Syrians anywhere near them, so they'll do what they did with the Turks they didn't want - move them to Cyprus.

As supporttheunderdog states, it's already happening and the illegal border forces are just ushering them through to the south. We'll now see how long it is before people accept even more illegal immigrants to come to the island and look for handouts, then turn to crimes. But, hey, we're not racist - why don't we just evict a load of Cypriots from their homes and move these poor unfortunates in! We could also give them jobs at the expense of hard-working Cypriots and if anyone complains, call them racist, fascist, Nazi scum.

[supporttheunderdog]

I persoannly do not have any problem with Illegals being rounded up, detained (in reasonable but not plush conditions) before being shipped home/to their last country.

The trouble is many Syrians will no doubt claim refugee status due to the troubles in Syria, where under (but subject to) art 31 of CSCR they cannot be accused of being illegals.

[Get Real!]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

If they're gonna come to Cyprus they'll most likely take advantage of Christofia's foolish invitation not the occupied area.

[kimon07]

Well, the answer is a "NO", of course, but that does not mean Turkey won't go for it all the same, just because Turkey's leaders are delusional fools and as the Americans called Davutoglu, the "Clueless Idiot". I have many times stated, that Turkey is a toothless Tiger and a country without convictions, but only an opportunist in trying to get what ever she can for herself at the least cost, much like scavengers really, after the heavy lifting is done by others first, as the case was in Libya.

Early last year Turkey was talking big about playing a leading role in Syria.....

It's not only her delusions of becoming leader of the Arab world that have turned into thin air. Here comes a new shock from the 500 million (according to Lordo) "brothers” of the Turkic republics.

Turkic Council not effective due to conflicting interests
18 August 2013 /LAMİYA ADİLGIZI, İSTANBUL

The Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States (CCTS), an umbrella organization that promotes comprehensive cooperation among the Turkic countries of the region, is not an influential organization on an international scale and is largely inactive, since the member states are not, in fact, eager to come together and work under a single roof due to their divergent political interests

and disparate though related cultures.

“These countries [the Turkic states of Central Asia] unfortunately are countries that are not living in harmony with Turkey……….

There are six independent Turkic countries in the world -- Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Turkey -- which are officially binding themselves together under the motto, "One nation, six states." All these countries share a common cultural and historical background, although to varying degrees; and speak different Turkic languages, which though they are considered to share the same root, only Turks and Azerbaijanis can understand one another's language…….

In 2009, four of these countries -- Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey -- met in Nakhchivan, Azerbaijan, to establish the CCTS, also known as the Turkic Council. Two of the neighboring nations, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, have not joined and their decision not to attend even the annual meetings of the states was defined by Halil Akıncı, secretary-general of the CCTS, as an indication that they are not ready to take part in the Turkic Council…….

Mentioning the importance of the joint projects that have contributed to strengthening cooperation among the Turkic speaking countries, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said on Thursday during the foreign ministers' meeting also held on the sidelines of the summit that the Turkic Council in itself makes significant contributions to increasing the competitiveness of the Turkic countries that have so much common history, culture and language.

However, the expert does not agree with the notion of language unity among the Turkic countries, saying that people from these nations do not understand each other and that this fact prevents the nations from knowing each other at the lower level, too.

"The common language for these people is Russian, rather than Turkic or Turkish. During any seminars or any meetings we cannot deal with each other without Russian interpreters," Bilhan said, adding that there are huge gaps in the fields of language, literature and culture. "Because of the language barrier, the people of these countries have no idea of one another's literature and, thus, their culture."……

Russian is the most convenient common language in the Turkic speaking countries and despite the breakup of the Soviet Union that ruled these countries for 70 years, the Russian language did not experience any decline; rather it is still the most widely spoken language……..

As stated by Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov during his speech at the summit on Thursday, political hindrances to the development of cooperation among the member states should not be dismissed either, as the cooperation and much closer ties among the Turkic-speaking countries cannot go much further than some economic and transport projects, which in fact are embodying mainly the interests of regional and international powers, rather than the states themselves.

The whole article here:
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-323777- ... rests.html

So much for the one and only 500 mil. strong Turanic super nation (under the super leadership of Turkey, of course)

[GreekIslandGirl]

How long before the first Syrian refugees arrive in the illegal trnc and displaces further the indigenous island Turks?

There are no "indigenous island Turks". They are invaders and illegal immigrants.