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[tsukoui]

This "everyone is racist" idea is the problem!

Everyone has an ego and discerns differences upon which they make judgments. But "race" is a construction. We do not have the same prejudices of the past and we need not have the same prejudices in the future.

The construction of "race" derives from the West European imperialists of the last 500 years or so. It is the construction of the "White" man. It is not a Cypriot construction, nor a Greek one for that matter.

Some "White" wannabes here ape the "White" man by adopting his construction. And please note, I am using quotes for a reason, light skin does not make you "White".

If Golden Dawn ape the Nazis and adopt the Nazi ideology then they are Nazis, but I am being kind to them by saying they are ignorant peasants.

Why?

Because I want to develop a discourse that allows for patriotism, and the discussion of prejudice, but in an indigenous way. It is not patriotic to regurgitate "White" constructions. We have a different history of relations with other people. One of the biggest things we should be patriotic about is the word "xenos" for both "guest" and "foreigner". We should be patriotic about our [Cyprus] recent relationship with the other former colonies. About our relationship with the Soviet Union.

I am trying to deconstruct this corruption by "White" people. We should to be able to talk about "Black" constructions with respect. I have issues with certain constructions emanating from "Black" discourse. We should be able to discuss these without being labeled "White", because our history is different. We are not "White". If there are issues let us debate them on an equal footing. If we are equal then let us even laugh about our differences.

However, every time I try to get involved in this, we are so swamped by "White" mentality that I end up looking like a fascist.

It is disgraceful!

I used to say I am neither "White" nor "Black" I am "Cypriot". But having come on this forum I am so ashamed by the ignorance I wish I was not that either.

I think Sheikh Nazim's advice is the best: "Try to be nothing!".

[supporttheunderdog]

I do not think that Racism is a white invention - what some "whites" did was invent ways of justifying it with pseudo science or pseudo philosophy leading to fascism and Nazism

[kimon07]

This "everyone is racist" idea is the problem!

Everyone has an ego and discerns differences upon which they make judgments. But "race" is a construction. We do not have the same prejudices of the past and we need not have the same prejudices in the future.......

The construction of "race" derives from the West European imperialists of the last 500 years or so. It is the construction of the "White" man. It is not a Cypriot construction, nor a Greek one for that matter.........

I used to say I am neither "White" nor "Black" I am "Cypriot". But having come on this forum I am so ashamed by the ignorance I wish I was not that either....

1. Racially speaking (in terms of black and white I mean) if you determined yourself as a Greek Cypriot or a Turkish Cypriot or an Armenian Cypriot rather than Cypriot, you would be making more clear to others what you really are.

2. From the little I know about the Golden Dawn I can say that their problem is not "Black and White" but Greeks vs illegal immigrants, be them black, or white, or green, or yellow or brown. On the other hand, if you look back to the ancient Greek authors you will find the distinction between Greek vs Barbarian (= non Greek) since very early. A distinction not based on colour but on descent/blood line.

[ZoC]

Speaking of history...

This might offend some... on second thought, it WILL offend many.
There are some painful truths.
I have zero affiliation with this 'documentary' video on Haiti, but I can draw very strong parallels with South Africa.
Judge for yourself, don't involve me.

http://vimeo.com/28564175

Cheers for that. Very interesting white supremicist video along the traditional lines of "look how the barbarian blacks f*** up everything given to them by the white man". Not a lot about how why this happened and how the white man was responsible for it.

Ironically the blacks of Haiti were introduced by the slave makers themselves!

The indigenous Haitians never had any issues prior to the forced multiculturalism.

u say that, but didn't a lot of indigenous haitians identify with the ancient aztec culture - and bore everyone about it all the time, insisting they were mexicans and demanding union with mexico? and wasn't haiti invaded by the the turks (and caicaos)?

or maybe i'm getting it confused with some place else.

[potassium]

I would say yes since Michanoliakos denies the Holocaust and believes it is a propaganda by the allies. They want to bring dictatorship in Greece and want to make the country only for Greeks, similar to what Hitler was trying (Deutschland den Deutschen).

Welcome to the forum, "K".

Most of what you say is sloppily inaccurate and naughtily alarmist, if true. Very nazist tactics, methinks. Even so, there are/were many (real) Nazis who did not deny the Holocaust. They proudly talked about it. Does that "non-denial" of the Holocaust dismiss them from being Nazis? Besides, we have an esteemed Human Rights lawyer here, who thinks countries that not only deny genocides but also (presently) carry out racist ethnic cleansing, apartheid and invasion of territories are also not Nazis. So do you have any actual evidence that GD are in fact "Nazis" and not merely concerned citizens?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXy7f17GXtQ

Well, if they are not nazis they are for sure fascists.

[supporttheunderdog]

Nazi? yes
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/400413/20121101/neo-nazi-golden-dawn-mps-attack-migrants.htm

In a 1987 article of the Golden Dawn magazine, its editor Michaloliakos wrote an article with title "Hitler for 1000 years" where he supports Nazism and white supremacy. Specifically he wrote "We are the faithful soldiers of the National Socialist idea and nothing else" and "[...] WE EXIST, and continue the battle, the battle for the final victory of our race". He ends the article by writing "1987, 42 years later, with our thought and soul given to the last great battle, with our thought and soul given to the black and red banners, with our thought and soul given to the memory of our great Leader, we raise our right hand up, we salute the Sun and with the courage, that is compelled by our military honor and our National Socialist duty we shout full of passion, faith to the future and our visions: HEIL HITLER!". Furthermore he capitalizes the pronouns referring to Hitler ("by Himself", "His people").

[GreekIslandGirl]

Will people please stop being so deterministic. Black or white. Nazis or .... whatever the opposite is.

Nothing is so straightforward!

Shades of grey .....

[bill cobbett]

Will people please stop being so deterministic. Black or white. Nazis or .... whatever the opposite is.

Nothing is so straightforward!

Shades of grey .....

Will some kind soul please tie up GIG and give her a whipping.... pleeeese....

[GreekIslandGirl]

Will people please stop being so deterministic. Black or white. Nazis or .... whatever the opposite is.

Nothing is so straightforward!

Shades of grey .....

Will some kind soul please tie up GIG and give her a whipping.... pleeeese....

Voyeur!

[kimon07]

Will people please stop being so deterministic. Black or white. Nazis or ....

Tsipras and Papariga.

Look ladies and gents. What should worry you is not what they really are. It's that even communist elder citizens, in the problematic areas of Athens, consider them to be a blessing. Cause they offer to them the feeling of security that the Greek State fails to offer them. They can go and collect their pension from the bank accompanied by GD and they can go to the local market and shop or to the pharmacy to buy their medicine, not being worried that they will be mugged or killed on the way.
And apartment owners, which were rented to illegal immigrants who were not paying the rents for months, and who (the owners) could not get them evicted because it takes a couple of years under the Greek legislative system to issue and enforce an eviction, all they have to do now is call the GD. Problem solved in no time at all. I learned, just today, that even lawyers are using their relevant "services"!!!!!!! For free.