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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby Mapko » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:45 pm

CopperLine...I see you take the refuge of the inferior by picking up on typos and spelling mistakes (note: when you do this, you must also make sure you are error free - see your 'crapy' spelling, in your text) and also trying to be clever by taking everything so literal.

The negatives weren't to Naziism - can't you decipher a sentence or paragraph?

The clue to the name 'Searchlight' and what it does is in its name? Really? It could have been any number of things, i.e. trying to find absconding prisoners; trying to find something lost; trying to find planes flying overhead; etc.

Of course it's a guess because I don't know you. Logic extends to me that if I don't know someone the only thing I have to base what I know of them is guessing the broader picture.

[Sigh]...I had already stated that if I can't choose who does or does not get my blood then I won't give any.

I have never seen anything where Χρυσή Αυγή have come out and said 'We are a racist party'. Have you? I want hard facts not some right-on, leftist, liberal do-gooder, who smells of cheese, stating that's what he thinks they are about.

Really? Your family are not starving - you sound as though it could never happen. It could never happen in your world - in happens every world war. At the moment, there are just over 7 billion people. SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE. This is growing every second, of every minute, of every hour, of every day. By the time you read this, some Pakistani would probably have given birth to the 8 billionth. Are you sure there won't come a time when your family isn't starving? Go and tell that to a family in a poor suburb of Athens.

My horse is netiher angry nor bitter (see how pathetic it is to be taken literally), but I should not have to work six days a week to keep some immigrant - illegal or otherwise - who doesn't work, living free in the country I live in.

Now we get to the totally ridiculous point of your argument. I stated people emigrate illgeally because of their crappy existence, but you state '...fear, persecution, unemployment, marriage, business, university/education, family, trafficked/enslaved, commerce, citizenship'. If any one of your stupid reasons is not because of a crappy existence, or for someone to emigrate illegally, tell me which.

Oh, but it DOES follow. Can an Englishman, for example, who is uneducated, poor and have no future get into Australia? If another Englishman who is a millionaire and have outstanding academic qualities wants to get into Australia - could he? One could enter legally, the other legally. One has someonthing to offer, the other doesn't.

I shall re-iterate what I stated previously, your posts are boring and so, it seems, are you. That is why you have done nothing but personally attack with snide remarks.

Enjoy.
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby B25 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:28 pm

Mapko, our Copperline is a lawyer/Barrister or in the legel trade. He is a bright chap mind so take care! :)
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby kimon07 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:31 pm

CopperLine wrote:......Anybody know what Golden Dawn's monetary policy is ? Anybody know what zoning or planning policies will improve safety for schoolchildren or the elderly ? Anybody know what........


You can be sure that those who voted for them do. It is totally insignificant if YOU don't. But, if you are interested to find out you can take a look here: (Actually I saw it for the first time myself tonight thanks to your relevant questions :D ).

The basic program of Golden Dawn.

http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/kinima/thesis

I also found very interesting this:

Ταυτότητα

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12) Το Λαϊκό κράτος του Εθνικισμού αποδίδει την κοινωνική ισότητα των ευκαιριών που είναι στηριγμένη στην αξιοκρατία και δεν παραγνωρίζει τον νόμο της ποικιλότητας και της διαφοράς στη Φύση. Σεβόμενοι την πνευματική, εθνική και φυλετική ανισότητα των ανθρώπων μπορούμε να οικοδομήσουμε κοινωνία δικαίου και ισονομίας. Αυτή η ισονομία είναι η απόδειξη της ηθικής υπέρβασης του Εθνικισμού και δείχνει πως δεν υφίσταται νομική διαφοροποίηση για να προφυλάξει θεσμικά τις φυσικά υπάρχουσες ανισότητες αφού αυτές αποτελούν αναπόσπαστο στοιχείο της Φύσης και της Ζωής. Αντίθετα το Λαϊκό – Εθνικό κράτος δικαίου δίνει τα ίδια περιθώρια ανάδειξης και επισφράγισης του διαφορετικού στοιχείου της κάθε ύπαρξης. Έτσι πολεμώ ως εθνικιστής κάθε ισοπεδωτισμό (Εθνών, Φυλών, Ανθρώπων), όσο και κάθε κάλπικης τεχνητής ανισότητας και ολιγαρχίας (χρήματος, κόμματος, διαστροφής).
Η ΑΡΙΣΤΟΚΡΑΤΙΑ ΓΕΝΝΙΕΤΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΑΞΙΟΚΡΑΤΙΑ, ΓΙΑ ΤΟΥΤΟ ΚΑΙ ΠΟΛΕΜΩ ΟΛΕΣ ΤΙΣ ΟΛΙΓΑΡΧΙΕΣ
http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/kinima

Interesting wouldn't you say?
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby Mapko » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:35 pm

B25...If CopperLine is in any way affiliated to the legal profession, I sincerely hope I don't need him/her as a defence! I'd rather hire a chimpanzee to represent me - and I'm more likely to get off if a chimpanzee were my defence!!

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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:49 pm

Cap wrote:The one thing they keep reiterating is the ancient Greek symbol, of which the leftist scum so desperately want to connect with the swastika.
They're trying to convince the world that its some kind of modified adaptation of the Nazi symbol even though it predates the swastika by millenia.
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the Swastika aka the Gammadion/tetra gammadion is a very ancient symbol which the Nazis did not name let alone invent. The Nazis merely took and used it for their own ends.

It can be found in use through-out the world throughout history- the earliest know example being as mauch as 12000 years old found on a Ukranian carving: it was found on 5th millenium BC Iranian carvings, was certainly in use the Indus valley civilisations in 2500 BC , was in use in Greece in the 8th century BC onwards, asa decorative motif, It can be found Ancient China and japan, was used by the celts, and by native Americans, as well Germanic peoples . The word Swastika itself is probably derived from Sanskrit and may have connections with good luck.

Except for the shape there is almost certainly little connection beyween Ancient Greek usage and the modern connotations of it that only arose with Hitler.
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby kimon07 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:14 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:the Swastika aka the Gammadion/tetra gammadion.......


Two greek words, derivatives of the letter GAMA (double Gama and qautredouble Gama).

Except for the shape there is almost certainly little connection between Ancient Greek usage and the modern connotations of it that only arose with Hitler.


The symbol of Golden Dawn is the Greek MEANDROS (named after the synonymous river).
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:33 pm

I am sorry to see another ancient symbol that may come to be associated with a political party with what many right-minded people may consider to be unnaccetable neo-facist/racist POV.

The good news is that they only have small percentage of the vote and only a few seats (and that is too many) in the Greek Parliament, but then that is how the Nazi;s started. They never got more the 43,9 % of the vote or 288 seats out of 647, and that only in the election of March 1933, where the nazis had already managed to get Hitler appointed as Chancellor and locked up large numbers of opponents.

Will Greece- claimed to be one the early homes of a democracy of sorts - become an autocracy or oligarchy?
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby kimon07 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:54 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I am sorry to see another ancient symbol that may come to be associated with a political party with what many right-minded people may consider to be unnaccetable neo-facist/racist POV.


What you are now saying is a different thing all together. The question was whether Golden Dawn is using the hitleric symbol or not. And the answer is NO!

Μαίανδρος, το έμβλημά μας.....

http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/enim ... mblhma-mas


Meander (art)
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A meander or meandros[1] is a decorative border constructed from a continuous line, shaped into a repeated motif. Such a design is also called the Greek fret or Greek key design, although these are modern designations. On the one hand, the name "meander" recalls the twisting and turning path of the Maeander River in Asia Minor, ………………..
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:12 pm

yas and as Wikipedia points out it has a symbolism connected with unity and infinity, just as the Swastika was connected with good luck.

Likewise it points out the design appears in EG Ancient China- perhaps it was carried there by the people who went on to take the ancient Greek art of Pankration to Korea to invent Tae Kwon Do in 1950?
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Re: golden dawn - nazis? yes or no?

Postby potassium » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:59 pm

I would say yes since Michanoliakos denies the Holocaust and believes it is a propaganda by the allies. They want to bring dictatorship in Greece and want to make the country only for Greeks, similar to what Hitler was trying (Deutschland den Deutschen).
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