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[ZoC]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

Anyone who values the opinion of the British press, is either a hypocrite or cares not a jot for Cyprus and its allies – well, enough about the character of “ZoC”!

anyone who is not prepared to cast a critical eye over the excesses of cyprus's purported allies but instead tries to besmirch the character of those who are prepared, is either deluded or evil or both - well enough about the character of “greekislandgirl”.

[Mapko]

kimon07...I'm glad you said 'alleged' activities of Χρυσή Αυγή because we don't know if the actions against immigrants - illegal or otherwise - are really caused by their followers or their enemies. It's not beyond the actions of the poeple who are against Χρυσή Αυγή to beat up some immigrants and blame it on Χρυσή Αυγή - who will listen to them?

Ever since the end of WWII, the west has tried - and loved - to label any organisation that was patriotic to its own as 'Nazis'. In England, the English love the fact they are a diverse country and welcome any and all cultures - to the detriment of their own. The immigrants prey on the fact the English are scared of being labelled racists and play on it. There have been many stories of people being forced by councils to take down England flags when England play in the World Cup, or Union flags when GB play for fear of offending Asians, but it's ok for Asians to cheer on Pakistan when it plays England in cricket. The English are so stupid they can't see everyone is laughing at them! There is the British National Party, a party that promotes Britishness, jobs for the British and British first - guess what? They've been labelled as Nazis. Tony Blair, a few years ago, apologised to the Africans for Britain's role in slavery!! Why? This was over 200 years ago and nobody alive now had anything to do with it. In actual fact, the Africans should be eternally rateful to the west for bringing them out of the crap hole they now live in where they can aford to walk around in tracksuits, wearing Nike trainers, driving BMW's, dealing in drugs and pimping!

Every country should look after its own first. Are the Americans, Australians or Canadians branded racists for not allowing everyone in and having a scoring criteria to be able to live in those countries? No, but it's ok for the stupid British to work like dogs so immigrants can come here and claim benefits.

The western white man is screwed.

[Cap]

Maybe....
The Greeks should 'facilitate' the illegal immigrants passage into the rest of Europe rather than detain them.

[kimon07]

Before anyone goes on about eg the institutional racism of the Met, don't bother trying to divert attention but remember this topic is about the nazi influenced Golden Dawn.

If this topic is about the Golden Dawn then lets talk about the Golden Dawn and not about the Greek Police and the Greeks in general, or you will hear about the British police and the British in general. Like the case of the poor Latin American guy who was shot dead because he was carying a back pack? Or the poor veteran who was arrested and detained during the Olympic Games because he was not smiling? OK? And when referring to "crimes" of the Golden Dawn kindly give us names, dates and places or at least links. Please?

BTW I think the illegals should be rounded up and sent home but violence against them is uncivilised. I hope that the majority of Greeks would agree with that as never let it be said that Greece as a whole is uncivilised.

How very correct. That's why you must also do something in relation to the so frequent racist violence you have in Britain and let Greece deal with its own, lest Britain and the British society are branded as uncivilized. Wouldn't you agree? The pole in your eye?

[kimon07]

Maybe....The Greeks should 'facilitate' the illegal immigrants passage into the rest of Europe rather than detain them.

Precisely my point. But you see, the EU regulations force Greece to detain them and not allow them to move west. On the other hand the EU does nothing to force Turkey to stop the deliberate flow into Greece and on the other hand is reluctant to cover any of the costs related to the prevention of the influx or the detention of the immigrants under humane conditions. And then you have the British press blaming Greece and the Greeks for all the social consequences of this ridiculous situation, using the alleged violent activities of Golden Dawn as an excuse.

[kimon07]

But looking at Greece and the Greek Police one had for example the murder of Andreas Grigoropoulos in 2008 who was shot by a armed Special guards....

And what has this incident (from four years back, when none of you had even heard of Golden Dawn yet) have to do with the alleged racist violence of Golden Dawn? Isn't this thread about the Golden Dawn?

You are drifting off topic again, probably cause you can't find any incidents to prove the allegations of the topic and of the article posted by Zoc.

If you like to talk about police violence/brutality in Greece and elsewhere you are most welcome. Start a relevant thread.

P.S. According to a poll published today in Greece Golden Dawn is up to 8.6% while counting the "indecisive" is estimated to over 10%.

[bsharpish]

If they act like, support the policies of, surround themselves with the trappings of and generally behave like communists/nazi's/tree huggers etc etc etc etc ..... Then they generally are .........
It's not rocket science just simple logic FFS - 1 that even nature obeys

For example-

Looks like a dog, acts like a dog, behaves like a dog = it's a dog
Has too much sunburn, badly dressed, drunk and singing= Scotsman
Likes water, flys and swims, acts like a duck = it's a duck
As per Scotsman but fighting not singing = English tourist
Blindly supports anything Greek or turkish, delusional paranoid conspiracy theorist, does not actually live here = 25-50% of the posters here.

[Mapko]

The Duke of Wellington, who was born in Ireland, when asked if he was Irish was quoted as saying:

"Just because one is born in a barn does not make one a horse."

[GreekIslandGirl]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

Anyone who values the opinion of the British press, is either a hypocrite or cares not a jot for Cyprus and its allies – well, enough about the character of “ZoC”!

anyone who is not prepared to cast a critical eye over the excesses of cyprus's purported allies but instead tries to besmirch the character of those who are prepared, is either deluded or evil or both - well enough about the character of “greekislandgirl”.

I have my own critical eye, ZoC. I don't need to propagate the propaganda of the anti-Greek British press by giving such articles further coverage.

The British (since you chose the British press to discuss) have well-tried methods for accomplishing self-fulfiling 'prophecies'. Meanwhile, the UK itself has some of the most aggressive anti-immigration policies - probably developed in consultation with their BNP. It's also an isolated, faraway island which has seen the least of the troubles caused by masses of illegal immigrants (as seen with my own critical and comparative eye and not from compliantly being spoon-fed British views.)

[ZoC]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

Anyone who values the opinion of the British press, is either a hypocrite or cares not a jot for Cyprus and its allies – well, enough about the character of “ZoC”!

anyone who is not prepared to cast a critical eye over the excesses of cyprus's purported allies but instead tries to besmirch the character of those who are prepared, is either deluded or evil or both - well enough about the character of “greekislandgirl”.

I have my own critical eye, ZoC. I don't need to propagate the propaganda of the anti-Greek British press by giving such articles further coverage.

i'd say probably both.