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[bill cobbett]

murdering ethnic minorities,

The illegal immigrants are no ethnic minorities, you idiot.

Maybe a list of names of all Greek police officers with links or membership to the fascist organisation should be on the internet. Then sack them and give their jobs to legal immigrants. A bit more diversity could teach some people a lesson.

Either you like it or not, GD is a legitimate political party with 18 elected MPs.

BTW, I find GD's views rather moderate, especially on illegal immigration.

Greece needs a 'final solution plan' to get rid of illegal immigrants. I will not post it here, because I got into trouble the previous time.

Well that just goes to prove that though some Wannabe Simpletons above may argue, having been fooled with a bit of Flag Waving, that these Neo-Nazi Nutters are an acceptable and legitimate party that has the good of Greece in mind, there are a good many within the ranks of its supporters that know no limits to the crimes they would commit if they had their evil way.

Bring back the Gas Chambers eh Toffoui...???

[tsukoui]

They are not Nazis, nor even fascists, just supremely ignorant peasants, although some would say that this amounts to the same thing!

The real problem here is that the radical left has lost the respect it used to command. Are we supposed to believe that Boris Johnson is now more attractive to "Black" women than Ken Livingstone because he respects his culture? Things have gotten so bad that a few years ago a friend of mine whose grandfather fought in the same unit as Tito and was in the Central Committee of Yugoslavia, commented that the Yugoslavs were racist because although they offered free education and even military training to Africans, if any of them wanted to stay they weren't allowed. The fact is that at the time, Africans who chose to flee their countries for the Eastern Block were quite rightly viewed as traitors by their own people. Yugoslavia was practicing internationalism in its truest form. Sharing its wealth with other nations in a manner that respected the patriotism of both host and guest. No one should even dream of comparing this with immigration to the imperialist countries. The socialist block struggled without exploiting anyone but themselves. Is it any wonder that Stalin is still revered in Russia. Unfortunately they seem to be taking the worst and forgetting the best. Christofias is right when he says the collapse of the Soviet Union was a tragedy for all humanity. The real question is not whether golden dawn are nazis, but whether Greece is an enemy of the people siding with the imperialists or a progressive revolutionary state.

[kimon07]

Greece needs a 'final solution plan' to get rid of illegal immigrants......

Shut tight its eastern borders and....

OPEN wide the western ones....until Europe decides to force Turkey to block the flow.

They who love them so much (such as Britain, for instance) are welcome to have them. In any case, 99% of the illegal immigrants who enter Greece look at the country as just a gate and a corridor to the west. They don't want to stay and they never intended to stay. EU regulations keep them in Greece forcibly and against their will, because the other EU countries and their citizens don't want them either. They are imposed on Greece against the will of the Greek people and Greece is imposed on them against their own will. And they are thus condemned to poverty, hunger, hardships and terrible conditions of living. Conditions which force many of them to turn to all sorts of crimes and further to be submitted to all sorts of exploitation and abuses even by their own compatriots and the various mafia gangs formed by other illegal immigrants. How democratic and how humane is that for them and how fair is it for the Greek people?

[supporttheunderdog]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

From the article of the link above:

"After the immigrants, you're next." That's what was written on flyers that appeared this week in the gay clubbing district of Athens.”

That is the moto used and spread around by the leftist organizations which are thus trying to turn the Greeks against the Golden Dawn.

..gay clubbing district of Athens”

?

Which one is that? Does it have a name?

As violence against immigrants and ethnic minorities escalates across Greece....,

What a filthy slander. Not a single incident was ever reported of attacks or abuses against any ethnic minority of Greece.[/quote}

Here is an eyewitness account of racist violence.

http://www.hrw.org/fr/node/104821

.......supporters of the ultra-right Golden Dawn party have also begun to promote hate attacks on homosexuals and people with disabilities.....

Another filthy slander. Where is the reference to particular incidents?

Violence against people with disabilities? From Greeks? Jesus! What pure filth.

These fascists march with black shirts and flares through Athens, terrorizing ethnic and sexual minorities…

Another lie. Neither THE ethnic minorities of Greece nor people of sexual diversities (sexual minorities?????) are being terrorized and no such reports exist. And that is why no such reports are quoted in the article.

Without being the "apologist" of any one, allow me to inform you that the only murders of illegal immigrants reported till now are those committed by other illegal immigrants and they are all related to disputes and rivalries in connection to their illegal activities, such as drag dealings and the trafficking of more illegal immigrants. And of course, there are the so frequent murders and rapes and abuses of Greek people by illegal immigrants.

With ypour hed stck so far up Greece' backside to liock out its arse I think you are as almost as bad as thee deniers of the holocuast.

I think the professor of unsubstantiated filth slander of modern time was Joseph Goebbels?

Can we have some facts related to attacks against "ethnic and sexual minorities" and "people with disabilities" in Greece?

Because, I can give you lots of such frequent incidents in other "civilized" European countries. (I did it before I wouldn't mind doing it again. Including stubbings, beatings and arson).

Here is an eyewitness account of racist violence.

http://www.hrw.org/fr/node/104821

It has been known since as far back as 2002 that the Greek Police tend not to bother too much in looking in to what are possibly racist attacks

and her is a pssoble racist murder -

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/gree-a15.shtml

There ara alo reports of 5 deaths of immigrants thought to be at the hands of the Police or Coast guard in 2009

[kurupetos]

murdering ethnic minorities,

The illegal immigrants are no ethnic minorities, you idiot.

Maybe a list of names of all Greek police officers with links or membership to the fascist organisation should be on the internet. Then sack them and give their jobs to legal immigrants. A bit more diversity could teach some people a lesson.

Either you like it or not, GD is a legitimate political party with 18 elected MPs.

BTW, I find GD's views rather moderate, especially on illegal immigration.

Greece needs a 'final solution plan' to get rid of illegal immigrants. I will not post it here, because I got into trouble the previous time.

Well that just goes to prove that though some Wannabe Simpletons above may argue, having been fooled with a bit of Flag Waving, that these Neo-Nazi Nutters are an acceptable and legitimate party that has the good of Greece in mind, there are a good many within the ranks of its supporters that know no limits to the crimes they would commit if they had their evil way.

Bring back the Gas Chambers eh Toffoui...???

Gas Chambers? No mate/matess( ), I opt for a green solution, i.e. biofuel.

[kimon07]

Here is an eyewitness account of racist violence.

http://www.hrw.org/fr/node/104821

It has been known since as far back as 2002 that the Greek Police tend not to bother too much in looking in to what are possibly racist attacks

and her is a pssoble racist murder -

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/gree-a15.shtml

There are also reports of 5 deaths of immigrants thought to be at the hands of the Police or Coast guard in 2009

So, one murder of an Iraqi immigrant by unidentified people, one "possible racist murder" and five cases of deaths "thought" to have occurred in the hands of the Greek border police (what where the causes?) in a time span of 10 years (since 2002) excuse the term of "epidemic" racist violence in Greece? How many similar definite (not possible or suspected) incidents were reported in the UK during the same period of time if you please? And where are the cases of alleged attacks against ethnic or religious or "sexual minorities" of Greece by Greeks mentioned in that despicable article? And where is the evidence connecting the two previous "possible racist" attacks to Golden Dawn or any Greek for that matter?
And how would you characterise the hundreds of not suspected but certain murders and rapings and robberies and abuses of Greeks in the hands of illegal immigrants during the same period of time? An endemic wave of anti-Greek racism I suppose?

Like I said some time ago. Some people better deal with the pole they have in their eye first.

[Mapko]

What sickens me more than racists are the apologists, wiggers and people who put down their own race to promote a lesser race. I'm sure everyone knows the original meaning of the term 'barbarians' - well that's what these people are! All these people are nothing compared to the rich, cultured history of the Greeks.

To me, my family means more than anything and anybody else and there's nothing I wouldn't do to protect them - does that make me some sort of racist?
Now, magnify that to include a country. People doing whatever they can to protect their country which, in turn, protects their family - why does this make them racist?

Do we all have to fall over ourselves to give what we haven't got to others as some sort of penance of how our fore-fathers acted in the past? People are so scared of being labelled a racist that they'll do anything not to be.

Blacks label whites racist. Whites are so scared of this that they have ploughed literally billions of dollars/pounds into Africa so clean water can be provided for the inhabitants. This has been going on for nearly 30 years and they still haven't done anything for themselves, they are still dying from lack of water. Why? Because they are lazy people who want others to do everything for them, yet they can still find time to produce babies! Westerners need to wake up and smell the coffee and say enough is enough.

Χρυσή Αυγή are NOT racist, they are patriots who are looking out for their own.

[GreekIslandGirl]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

Anyone who values the opinion of the British press, is either a hypocrite or cares not a jot for Cyprus and its allies – well, enough about the character of “ZoC”!

Having just returned from France, a Socialist country with an exemplary human rights record (lol), and being a vanguard of EU policies (lol) ; seems to me what Le Pen’s National Front Party (the crème de la crème of so-called “Nazi” parties - if anything like that were still possible after the Germans showed us all how to do it, lol) has failed to achieve in elections, then the everyday French Police force is managing to carry out very well in their absence. No need for extra parties. The French Police is all that's needed. For every 20 or 30 migrants congregating around a Lidl store, drinking cheap beers, urinating in shop-fronts, and whiling away their time in this freedom-inspiring country (lol), there are 4 to 5 gun-toting police officers (always with at least ONE woman PC for those headscarf bearers) patrolling nearby with cloches at the ready – herding the undesirables and keeping them away from the civilised fraternities going about their mobile-phone conducted business in their perfectly coiffured daily attire.

You only have to visit one or two EU countries to realize Greece is a pussycat carer nation. The Greek state is the most tolerant. Their police are the most polite and nurturing. Compare them to the disabled-people pushing/killing Brit Police force, for example, and it is no wonder a few Greeks carrying some banners, shouting a complaint, immediately become a beacon for the xenophobic, finger-pointing Brit-press (which doubles up nicely for ZoC's nightly 'fish-and-chips').

[kimon07]

What sickens me more than racists are the apologists, wiggers and people who put down their own race to promote a lesser race. I'm sure everyone knows the original meaning of the term 'barbarians' - well that's what these people are! All these people are nothing compared to the rich, cultured history of the Greeks.

To me, my family means more than anything and anybody else and there's nothing I wouldn't do to protect them - does that make me some sort of racist?
Now, magnify that to include a country. People doing whatever they can to protect their country which, in turn, protects their family - why does this make them racist?

Do we all have to fall over ourselves to give what we haven't got to others as some sort of penance of how our fore-fathers acted in the past? People are so scared of being labelled a racist that they'll do anything not to be.

Well said Mapko, well said!!!

Χρυσή Αυγή are NOT racist, they are patriots who are looking out for their own.

I am not very sure about this part. On the contrary I do believe they have Nazi orientations. However, this is not the case here. The case is that the activities or the alleged activities of Golden Dawn are used by some as an excuse to attack the Greeks and to accuse the whole nation of racism etc. Such is the case with the article that triggered this thread. The misleading title gives the impression that you will read an analysis about Golden Dawn but what you read are a bunch of unsubstantiated accusations about Greeks, the Greek society and the Greek authorities in general. Very much like the Turkish propaganda against the GCs, EOKA etc.
Well, I said it before and I will repeat it. All the so sensitive souls who oppose racism should better deal with the REAL trouble they have back home.

[supporttheunderdog]

It's not rhetoric to draw parallels with Nazism

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 92591.html

Anyone who values the opinion of the British press, is either a hypocrite or cares not a jot for Cyprus and its allies – well, enough about the character of “ZoC”!

Having just returned from France, a Socialist country with an exemplary human rights record (lol), and being a vanguard of EU policies (lol) ; seems to me what Le Pen’s National Front Party (the crème de la crème of so-called “Nazi” parties - if anything like that were still possible after the Germans showed us all how to do it, lol) has failed to achieve in elections, then the everyday French Police force is managing to carry out very well in their absence. No need for extra parties. The French Police is all that's needed. For every 20 or 30 migrants congregating around a Lidl store, drinking cheap beers, urinating in shop-fronts, and whiling away their time in this freedom-inspiring country (lol), there are 4 to 5 gun-toting police officers (always with at least ONE woman PC for those headscarf bearers) patrolling nearby with cloches at the ready – herding the undesirables and keeping them away from the civilised fraternities going about their mobile-phone conducted business in their perfectly coiffured daily attire.

You only have to visit one or two EU countries to realize Greece is a pussycat carer nation. The Greek state is the most tolerant. Their police are the most polite and nurturing. Compare them to the disabled-people pushing/killing Brit Police force, for example, and it is no wonder a few Greeks carrying some banners, shouting a complaint, immediately become a beacon for the xenophobic, finger-pointing Brit-press (which doubles up nicely for ZoC's nightly 'fish-and-chips').

Ah. the little star has re-emerged.

personally I am not surprised that you come out with such utter tosh about the Greece and the Greek Police but then you to at best have severe myopia if not a brown tongue when it comes to Greece: The fact isthat like the rest of Europe Greece has its own share of Nazi facists. In the GB one had eg the NF and BNP, and EDL,,

But looking at Greece and the Greek Police one had for example the murder of Andreas Grigoropoulos in 2008 who was shot by a armed Special guards, who were acting in defiance of orders to go to HQ and avoid trouble but according witnsss then invented a story about being attacked to justify the shooting, which lead to the 2008 riots. There are even reports of Greek Policemen beating immigrants to get protection money and with possibly 50% of the Police being GD supporters Sympathisers, there is no one the victims can complain too without fear of further attack. Where that sort of thing happens the police become a part of the problem, not a part of the cure.

Before anyone goes on about eg the institutional racism of tjhe Met, don't bother trying to divert attention but remember this topic is about the nazi inflenced Golden Dawn.

BTW I think the illegals should be be rounded up and sent home but violence against them is uncivilised I hope that the majority of Greeks would agree with that as never let it be said that Greece as a whole is uncivilised.