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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:30 am

Sotos wrote:There isn't such thing as "ancient Turkey". 8,000 years ago there were no Turks.


The Seljuks appeared in Eastern Anatolia just 950 years ago (Battle of Matzikert)
They did not move into Anatolia until after Alp Arslan’s death in 1072.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert

From 300 BC till about 100 AD their home lands were under Greek control and rule (Alexander/his successors/Kingdom of Bactria).
Official language was the Greek language.

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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:57 am

kimon07 wrote:The Seljuks appeared in Eastern Anatolia just 950 years ago (Battle of Manzikert)
They did not move into Anatolia until after Alp Arslan’s death in 1072.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert

Well, well, what do you know.

Battle of Manzikert anniversary today!

On the anniversary of a critical battle of Manzikert

Niki GammISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News

On hearing of the approach of a large Byzantine army, the Tukish ruler raised his siege of Aleppo and marched into Anatolia to fight the advancing forces

The battle of Manzikert took place on a plain set in rocky, hilly terrain. On Aug. 24 advance scouts from the Byzantines made contact with the Seljuk army and lost part of their cavalry.

The Seljuk Turks first entered the Middle East some time during the 10th century and conquered the eastern Islamic lands that included Persia at that time. Although there were battles and skirmishes along their borders, they never seemed to have had any intention of advancing into Anatolia and conquering the Byzantines. They were far more interested the lands along the Mediterranean like Syria, Lebanon and eventually Egypt – actually they were particularly interested in Egypt, which was ruled by the Fatimid dynasty and was Shiite Muslim while the Seljuk Turks were Sunni Muslims.
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby Sotos » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:48 am

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:There isn't such thing as "ancient Turkey". 8,000 years ago there were no Turks. Turks appeared just 1500 years ago...

That's a good 1400 years before Greece was born! :lol:


And "Helen of Troy was Turkish"? :lol: Let me tag this one also: cfnonsense .
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby MR-from-NG » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:31 pm

Researchers identify present day Turkey as origin of Indo-European languages
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By Hristio Boytchev, Published: August 23


The international team, led by Quentin Atkinson, a senior lecturer at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, used computational methods analyzing words from more than 100 ancient and contemporary languages, as well as geographical and historical data. By doing so, the scientists say they have pinned down the origin, about 8,000 years ago, of the largest global language to the region of Anatolia.

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The results, published in Friday’s issue of the magazine Science, coincide with the “Anatolian hypothesis.” Based on archeological data, it states that Indo-European languages spread with the expansion of agriculture from Anatolia, beginning 8,000 to 9,500 years ago.

The prevailing theory among linguists, however, is the “Steppe hypothesis,” explained Michael Dunn, a linguist the Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics in Nijmegen, Netherlands. The hypothesis is based primarily on an approach to reconstruct the ancestral language. By doing so, linguists have found that most Indo-European languages have related words for “wheel” and “wagon.” This points to the steppes of present-day Russia, 6,000 years ago, as the birthplace of the language family, because this is where the widespread use of chariots, an important technological advance, is thought to have originated.

“Archeologists and linguists have had different favorite theories on the language origins,” said Dunn, a co-author of the recent paper. “But now, new research like ours provides linguistic support for the Anatolian hypothesis.”

The present study builds upon previous work from Atkinson that came to similar conclusions in 2003. It did not, however, include geographical data, as the new study does.

The study is the first to use the novel methods on the Indo-European languages, a family of more than 400 tongues including English, Persian and Hindi. The languages are spoken on every continent by a total of 3 billion people.

“This paper provides strong statistical evidence that unequivocally supports the Anatolian hypothesis,” said Andrew Kitchen, a postdoctoral scholar at Pennsylvania State University, who uses similar research methods.

Yet Dunn does not expect the controversy to be settled, as supporters of the Steppe hypothesis continue collecting evidence strengthening their line of thought. “These things take a lot of time in science, but in the long run, I would bet on our theory,” Dunn said. “You just can’t explain away the data.”

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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby MR-from-NG » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:English language is descended from ancient Turkey

Now that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture can no longer afford to bribe historians to keep Greeks on a pedestal, we’re going to start hearing all sorts of (bitter) truths! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This will devastate our poor village idiot Sotos.
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:38 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:English language is descended from ancient Turkey

Now that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture can no longer afford to bribe historians to keep Greeks on a pedestal, we’re going to start hearing all sorts of (bitter) truths! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This will devastate our poor village idiot Sotos.


Don't worry. Sotos knows about the Cypriot Kilinjiroi (Turkogyftoi, your gardash).
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:46 pm

kimon07 wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:English language is descended from ancient Turkey

Now that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture can no longer afford to bribe historians to keep Greeks on a pedestal, we’re going to start hearing all sorts of (bitter) truths! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This will devastate our poor village idiot Sotos.


Don't worry. Sotos knows about the Cypriot Kilinjiroi (Turkogyftoi, your gardash).

The word “gifti” or gypsies is EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED for the Slavic bums of Greece (your compatriots) and Athens being the world’s largest Gypsy slum.

Where have you been all these years... Athens? :lol:

Behold the world's largest village...
http://www.athens-greece.us/pictures-at ... pappus.jpg
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby Sotos » Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:15 pm

kimon07 wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:English language is descended from ancient Turkey

Now that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture can no longer afford to bribe historians to keep Greeks on a pedestal, we’re going to start hearing all sorts of (bitter) truths! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This will devastate our poor village idiot Sotos.


Don't worry. Sotos knows about the Cypriot Kilinjiroi (Turkogyftoi, your gardash).


Actually I don't know much about them... apart from this forum I don't associate in any way with uneducated peasants ;) These people believe that "Helen of Troy was Turkish", that Greeks did not exist until a 100 years ago, and that there was an "ancient Turkey" :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is the only Turkey that existed in ancient times:

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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:30 pm

"Helen of Troy was Turkish"...!!! Pollocks...!!!

She works in North London, where she's known as Helen of Kings Cross ... well that's what others say... :oops:
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Re: English language is descended from ancient Turkey, exper

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:English language is descended from ancient Turkey

Now that the Hellenic Ministry of Culture can no longer afford to bribe historians to keep Greeks on a pedestal, we’re going to start hearing all sorts of (bitter) truths! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: This will devastate our poor village idiot Sotos.


Don't worry. Sotos knows about the Cypriot Kilinjiroi (Turkogyftoi, your gardash).

The word “gifti”......


Now now. Don't change the subject. Its Kilinjiroi (Turkogyftoi) we are talking about, Not regular gyftoi, i.e., the Roma. They are comparatively civilised compared to the Kilinjiroi of Cyprus.
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