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"The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby kimon07 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:15 pm

Edward Luttwak.
By David Samuels, September 6, 2011
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Hillary Clinton and her staff are not fools. Therefore, they must know that the Turkish foreign minister is a fool. I know him personally. The man is an idiot. Hillary Clinton and her advisers are not idiots. No advantage would be served for the United States to recognize where Erdogan is really going. It’s much better to pretend that he’s a member of NATO and North Atlantic Alliance and all the rest of it.
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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... -luttwak/3

That Luttwak guy ouhgt to be ashamed of himself! :mrgreen:
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:37 pm

.....the current Turkish government is playing to the Turk population more so then the world arena. The Turk government knows its limitations on the world scene.
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby kimon07 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:35 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:.....the current Turkish government is playing to the Turk population more so then the world arena. The Turk government knows its limitations on the world scene.


Do you realy believe that? I don't know. I think they have persuaded themselves they are a "Great" country. A superpower.
Megalomania (the medical term) in all its glory.
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby MGCN » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:19 am

kimon07 wrote:Edward Luttwak.
By David Samuels, September 6, 2011
………………………………..

Hillary Clinton and her staff are not fools. Therefore, they must know that the Turkish foreign minister is a fool. I know him personally. The man is an idiot. Hillary Clinton and her advisers are not idiots. No advantage would be served for the United States to recognize where Erdogan is really going. It’s much better to pretend that he’s a member of NATO and North Atlantic Alliance and all the rest of it.
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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... -luttwak/3

That Luttwak guy ouhgt to be ashamed of himself! :mrgreen:


You found this now when it was printed in Sep 2011 you need to get out more. Given that the man also claim that Obama is a Muslim I would guess he is of the rabid eyed right with all that entails. Love to see his view of Cyprus and it's relationship to Russia...
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby wyoming cowboy » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:39 pm

kimon07 wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:.....the current Turkish government is playing to the Turk population more so then the world arena. The Turk government knows its limitations on the world scene.


Do you realy believe that? I don't know. I think they have persuaded themselves they are a "Great" country. A superpower.
Megalomania (the medical term) in all its glory.


It all boils down to who believes their rhetoric about being a superpower...How can they seriously consider themselves to be a superpower when they cant even control their borders or their kurd minority. They threaten tiny Cyprus about the hydrocarbons and Cyprus ignores them. No self sufficiency in natural resources, and no defendable sea port for importation of these natural resources.
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby kimon07 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:44 pm

MGCN wrote:
kimon07 wrote:Edward Luttwak.
By David Samuels, September 6, 2011
………………………………..

Hillary Clinton and her staff are not fools. Therefore, they must know that the Turkish foreign minister is a fool. I know him personally. The man is an idiot. Hillary Clinton and her advisers are not idiots. No advantage would be served for the United States to recognize where Erdogan is really going. It’s much better to pretend that he’s a member of NATO and North Atlantic Alliance and all the rest of it.
………………………………

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... -luttwak/3

That Luttwak guy ouhgt to be ashamed of himself! :mrgreen:


You found this now when it was printed in Sep 2011.......

Stupidity is eternal. Does not go away with time.

Why don't you post it? Then we can all comment it.

Given that the man also claim that Obama is a Muslim............


He is not the only one!

........Love to see his view of Cyprus and it's relationship to Russia...


I suggest you see it and post it so that we can all comment on it? And then maybe we can all investigate the newly developed relationship of Israel with Russia as well? :wink:
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby Ippodromos » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:38 pm

Turks are no idiots. They know very well what they are doing. No matter what internal problems they always had, their foreign policies were always kept strictly in such a manner that Turkey's interests would not be harmed at all. They also keep the same standard policies for extraordinary long periods of time. Regardless of being wrong or right, they keep the rules of their self designed game. Look at the example of Constantinople which was originally Greek and if you mention that to anybody he will laugh at you! Look at the example of Cyprus and tell me if they will ever give up Kyrenia or Famagusta. So who should be called an IDIOT? Maybe those who are ready to NEGOTIATE these homelands when they dont even consider the opinion of those original owners? So, instead of calling people names, it is better to look inside ourselves and figure out how to get out of this mess some REAL IDIOTS have put us in.
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby barouti » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:22 pm

Ippodromos is spot on. When it comes to foreign policy the Turks are maximalists. Regardless there is an Islamist party in power in Turkey, the influence of Ataturk in the modern Turkish republic is still very evident ie "hold out until we get everything that we want". They almost got it with the Annan Plan, what only stopped them from achieving this was the GC's inherited Greek sense of defiance.

Returning to Turkey, last year they expelled the Israeli ambassador and the very next day they agreed to host the so-called US anti-missile radar. Clever move. Regardless of everything, Turkey remains vital to the hypocrisy known as "US interesrts". The section of the US press that is unequivocally pro-Israel and especially the Jewish lobby don't actually criticize Turkey but the current AKP government. Hence any bad press is directed at Tayyip's clowns and not the country per se, and if there is a coup d'état tomorrow in Turkey that brings to power the old fascist-Kemalist poltical order, am sure these same journalists who are criticizing the current popular elected AKP government will pay salute Turkey's return to "to the West and democracy".
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:43 pm

Ippodromos wrote:So who should be called an IDIOT? Maybe those who are ready to NEGOTIATE these homelands when they dont even consider the opinion of those original owners? So, instead of calling people names, it is better to look inside ourselves and figure out how to get out of this mess some REAL IDIOTS have put us in.

Yeah, some REAL GREEK IDIOTS!
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Re: "The man is an idiot......"!!

Postby kimon07 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:46 pm

barouti wrote:Ippodromos is spot on. When it comes to foreign policy the Turks are maximalists. Regardless there is an Islamist party in power in Turkey, the influence of Ataturk.....


Mustafa Kemal to us!
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