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[bg_turk]

Seperatists do not vote for a plan that would unify them with the country from which they wish to secede.

Exactly. Separatists vote only for partition plans. e.g. Annan plan.

Are the 24% of GCs who voted in favor seperatists? I think you should abrogate all their property rights, and give them to refugees. It would be only fair to treat all seperatists in the same way, right?

[Piratis]

There is a difference between what you want and what you accept. The majority of TCs want partition. A small minority of GCs have accepted it either because they lost hope that Turkey and TCs will ever agree for anything else other than partition or because of short term personal gains.

[bg_turk]

There is a difference between what you want and what you accept. The majority of TCs want partition. A small minority of GCs have accepted it either because they lost hope that Turkey and TCs will ever agree for anything else other than partition or because of short term personal gains.

ok, so if you want seperation you are a seperatist, but if you accept seperation you are not? hmmm.... are you sure?

[Piratis]

Who are separatists are those that in a referendum asking them if they accept legality to return in order to have one united Cyprus they would vote "no".

[bg_turk]

Who are separatists are those that in a referendum asking them if they accept legality to return in order to have one united Cyprus they would vote "no".

well, certainly, but since such a referendum has never been carried out, let us stick to the empirical data that we have, and that is the results of the Annan Plan. If the Annan Plan is a partition plan, why aren't those GCs in favor of it regarded as seperatists by the RoC? They haven't merely accepted seperatism, they have in fact actively sought it by voting in favor, and thus expressing their fullest support to a partition plan! They have underminded the soveregnity of their own state beyond any doubt.

[garbitsch]

Don't push it too much bg Some might fall.

[bg_turk]

Don't push it too much bg Some might fall.

if we follow his logic, then 24% of GCs should be qualified as seperatists since they have voted for a partition plan, am I wrong?

[garbitsch]

You are absolutely right. So these people should be deprived of their citizenship rights and be barred from free healthcare, EU passports etc according to Piratis's logic.

[Piratis]

Piratis logic is apparently a bit beyond your level of intelligence.

What I said is:

Separatists vote only for partition plans. e.g. Annan plan.

This according to you is the same as:

"All those that vote for partition plans are separatists"

I can understand how to somebody like you the two might sound the same, however they are not.
I said the first. The second comes only from your false logic.

It would be better if you stick to things that Turks can do good. Logic and such high level stuff has never been your strong point and apparently there is no improvement.

[bg_turk]

Piratis logic is apparently a bit beyond your level of intelligence.

What I said is:

Separatists vote only for partition plans. e.g. Annan plan.

This according to you is the same as:

"All those that vote for partition plans are separatists"

I can understand how to somebody like you the two might sound the same, however they are not.
I said the first. The second comes only from your false logic.

It would be better if you stick to things that Turks can do good. Logic and such high level stuff has never been your strong point and apparently there is no improvement.

Your logic is impecable Piratis. I am getting it now! I think you are saying that the set of seperatists S is a proper subset of the set P of those who voted for partition.
We have apprently wrongly assumed that two sets S and P are equivalent.
Seperatist vote for partition, but people who vote for partition are not necessarily seperatists. To be a seperatist voting for partition is a necessary but not a sufficient condition.
Clearly we have failed to appreciate that GCs and the seperatists are disjoint subsets, therefore the GCs who vote for partition can not be seperatists.
Am I right?