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[barouti]

Besides, the study you linked us to, refers to evidence of Greek intrusion to India prior to Alexander.

Ela re, Mr Limey tends to do that, posts articles to support his pov but actually contradict him lol. Conclusion, he doesnt even read the articles he posts...

[kimon07]

Besides, the study you linked us to, refers to evidence of Greek intrusion to India prior to Alexander.

Ela re, Mr Limey tends to do that, posts articles to support his pov but actually contradict him lol. Conclusion, he doesnt even read the articles he posts...

I am very certain Stud knows perfectly well the content of his links. He just believes (hopes) we shall not read them or not understand them.

And in any case, what interests him most I think, is for his posts and the contents of the studies/"studies" he links to, to go down into the net.

"Ppes, pes, kati tha meinei". Aren't the Turks doing the same claiming descent of the Irish and of the British and of the European languages from "Trukey" since 6000 bc?

[supporttheunderdog]

Kimon, Barouti,

On your point that the Greeks are indigeonous, as I have made clear my own understanding of the evidence is that the majority of modern Greeks can probably trace the majority of their ancestry back to the original waves of settlers who came out of the middle east in the area after the last Ice Age: the genetics shows Greeks are principally Y DnA haplogroups E1b or J2 but the liguistics (on which there is an intersteing debate elsewhere) suggests the Greek language as we now recognise it may well have only come into existance in the area after 2000 BC following invasions by the Achaeans (thought to be Y Dna R1a), Dorians. Ionians and Aeolians, (posited to be R1b)the four tribes named after the mythical descendents of the mythical King Hellene, and who imposed it through being a powerful military elite, similar to what is claimed to have happen in Britain in the 5th and 6th century AD and Turkey in the 12th to 16th centuries. The main Slavic haplogroups are I and R1a which are found in Greece but mainly in the North i.e. Macedonia and Thrace.

That is why I have never subscribed to, and indeed reject the outrageous racist abuse some post about the Modern Greeks being Ottoman remnants or of Slavic Gypsy ancestry.

The genetics do however tend to support the Indo European theory as the spread of IE languages is seemingly linked to the expansions of Y-DnA R1 peoples. I would not trust the Ancient Greek Historians as being reliable sources of history but anything but the most contemporaneous near-by events.

As to the ancient Greeks I have not denied their existence - what I have challenged is how much of what is now represented as original ancient Greek thought can be traced back to possibly 1000 years earlier to the older civilsations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Hittites, or possibly even the Indus Valley.

On the topic iteself As one of the studies pointed out the earlier possible Greek Intrusion might have been 150 years earlier in the form of Greek Slaves taken by Xerxes the ruler of the Pereian Empire.

[kimon07]

Kimon, Barouti,

On your point that the Greeks are indigeonous, as I have made clear my own understanding of the evidence is that the majority of modern Greeks can probably trace the majority of their ancestry back to the original waves of settlers who came out of the middle east in the area after the last Ice Age: the genetics shows Greeks are principally Y DnA haplogroups E1b or J2 but the liguistics (on which there is an intersteing debate elsewhere) suggests the Greek language as we now recognise it may well have only come into existance in the area after 2000 BC following invasions by the Achaeans (thought to be Y Dna R1a), Dorians. Ionians and Aeolians, (posited to be R1b)the four tribes named after the mythical descendents of the mythical King Hellene, and who imposed it through being a powerful military elite, similar to what is claimed to have happen in Britain in the 5th and 6th century AD and Turkey in the 12th to 16th centuries. The main Slavic haplogroups are I and R1a which are found in Greece but mainly in the North i.e. Macedonia and Thrace.

That is why I have never subscribed to, and indeed reject the outrageous racist abuse some post about the Modern Greeks being Ottoman remnants or of Slavic Gypsy ancestry.

The genetics do however tend to support the Indo European theory as the spread of IE languages is seemingly linked to the expansions of Y-DNA R1 peoples. I would not trust the Ancient Greek Historians as being reliable sources of history but anything but the most contemporaneous near-by events.

As to the ancient Greeks I have not denied their existence - what I have challenged is how much of what is now represented as original ancient Greek thought can be traced back to possibly 1000 years earlier to the older civilizations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Hittites, or possibly even the Indus Valley.

On the topic itself As one of the studies pointed out the earlier possible Greek Intrusion might have been 150 years earlier in the form of Greek Slaves taken by Xerxes the ruler of the Persian Empire.

You are raising lots of interesting points. I will come back on them tomorrow.