Get Real! wrote:supporttheunderdog wrote:Get Real! wrote:kimon07 wrote:Turkish Minister Suat Kilic stated during a press release, in a bid to convince officials of the International Olympic Committee that Turkey should host Olympics in the future, that [u][b]”Turkey is the birthplace of the Olympic flame and as a result, Mr Erdogan explained to Jacques Rogge that we want the Games back in our country. The IOC has the right to bring the Olympic flame back to its origin.”
According to Schliemann, the ancient city of Troi and countless other similar ruins are in western Turkey so what gives Greeks today the right to claim them as their ancient greats?
Helen of Troy was Turkish, and everything else found in western Turkey is Turkish and I wouldn’t be surprised if the ancient Olympics were held in Turkey.
Helen was supposedly a Spartan who ran off with the Trojan Paris: the Trojans were not Greek but probaby Wilusans. a confederation which had broken awaye from the hittte empire. the case for a trojan war is mostly set out in Myth.
But where does mythology end and reality begin?
The point is that those ruins are on Turkish territory and as such they belong to the Turkish people and all that goes with it.
As far as the existance of Helen of Trpy or any other individual is concrened we only have the Myth, even the ocurance of Tojan war itself is questionable . For the places we have the reality in remains including those at modern day Hissarlik, whic are thought to be a non-Greek , butittite language related speaking city of Wilusa, which on the basis of linguisticts is thought to be Illium. which was rebuilt several times including what is known as Troy VIII, which seems to have ben destroyed in a war, at what might be about the correct time, but there is no cleer evidene of who destroyed it. -
Thise may be in Turkey but it is pre-Turkish.
On the ruins being excavated the Archeology should indicate the liklely linguistic affiliations/origins of the inhabitants of the ruins, from inscriptions, and other cultural artefacts, but where there is some evidence some Greek Speaking communities were established, mostly along the coasts.
On the genetics of the Greeks (and if they are slavic or no)t I suggest you do some research - see for example a debate here -
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?26774-How-much-Turks-and-Slavic-influence-the-Greek-genetic-pool which while not what you call credible evidence of iteslf points to some intersteing source material which strongly suggestes that Slavic and/or Ottoman influences are quite minor within Greece. Forget the L lawrence Angel crap which youloser spouts - skeletal mesaurements are now thought to be scientifically unriable as a guidance to ancestry, so look at the haplogroups. This suggests most of the population probably can trace their ancestry back to the ancient greeks and beyond, to the same peoples who probably emerged in several waves out of the fertile cresecent area after Last glacial maximum and headed west along the southern coast hrough Anatolia to Greece (and Cyprus) . The Greeks later had an influx of indo-europen influences, who brought what became the Greek Language and some of what became the Greek Gods in about 2000BC or so. Even the majority of Turks appear to be mostly descended from the aboriginal inhabitants rather than Turkik (central Asiatic) stock.
On the topic itself I dont think there is any real evidence that the Olympic flame came from Turkey. - .
