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[Me Ed]

Kimon, GIG, Hermes barouti and any other Greek wannabes, you need a reality check.

In 1963 we had it all, our own independant democratic country with the undemocratic priviledges granted to the TCs in the 1960 constitution revoked and accepted by the UN and with the TCs tucked away in self imposed enclaves.

In 1964 Cyprus' soverign status was reaffirmed when the UN staved off a Turkish invasion.

Between 1967 and 1974 things got even better with no deaths attributed to intercommunal violence and no Turkish false flag operations.

I believe that given time the TCs would have abandoned the enclaves and joined normal Cypriot society.

Turkey may have wanted to partition Cyprus, they were left with no excuse to do so, especially after the UN staved off the invasion in 1964.

We had it all...

Q: So what went wrong with this apparent utopia of a unitary democratic Cyprus?

A: Greeks and Greek wannabes.

So who are the traitors and fifth columnists then?

Forget all this appeasement nonsense, who gave the Turks exactly what they wanted?

[ZoC]

Really, they don't like Greeks, so that's meant to be okay?

It's unfortunate that Greeks don't have many friends but that's hardly everyone else's doing isn’t it?

You’re just a hated people because you’re the worst under achievers yet brag the most and that’s a recipe for ridicule.

doubt u'll see baraouti for a while... he's gone off in search of 'primary sources' to prove his assertion* that colonisation by 'leventians' (sic) makes cypriots arabs.


* in a thread since deleted by admin

[Sotos]

Kimon, GIG, Hermes barouti and any other Greek wannabes, you need a reality check.

In 1963 we had it all, our own independant democratic country with the undemocratic priviledges granted to the TCs in the 1960 constitution revoked and accepted by the UN and with the TCs tucked away in self imposed enclaves.

In 1964 Cyprus' soverign status was reaffirmed when the UN staved off a Turkish invasion.

Between 1967 and 1974 things got even better with no deaths attributed to intercommunal violence and no Turkish false flag operations.

I believe that given time the TCs would have abandoned the enclaves and joined normal Cypriot society.

Turkey may have wanted to partition Cyprus, they were left with no excuse to do so, especially after the UN staved off the invasion in 1964.

We had it all...

Q: So what went wrong with this apparent utopia of a unitary democratic Cyprus?

A: Greeks and Greek wannabes.

So who are the traitors and fifth columnists then?

Forget all this appeasement nonsense, who gave the Turks exactly what they wanted?

CIA. Who do you think brought the Athens Junta in power? Not the votes of the Greeks.

[wyoming cowboy]

Kimon, GIG, Hermes barouti and any other Greek wannabes, you need a reality check.

In 1963 we had it all, our own independant democratic country with the undemocratic priviledges granted to the TCs in the 1960 constitution revoked and accepted by the UN and with the TCs tucked away in self imposed enclaves.

In 1964 Cyprus' soverign status was reaffirmed when the UN staved off a Turkish invasion.

Between 1967 and 1974 things got even better with no deaths attributed to intercommunal violence and no Turkish false flag operations.

I believe that given time the TCs would have abandoned the enclaves and joined normal Cypriot society.

Turkey may have wanted to partition Cyprus, they were left with no excuse to do so, especially after the UN staved off the invasion in 1964.

We had it all...

Q: So what went wrong with this apparent utopia of a unitary democratic Cyprus?

A: Greeks and Greek wannabes.

So who are the traitors and fifth columnists then?

Forget all this appeasement nonsense, who gave the Turks exactly what they wanted?

....how about the USA/Britain

[repulsewarrior]

...how about USA and Britain?

...when Mussolini got his answer, it was "no". we are all grateful for that. we hope that the same integrity is carried by not just the Leaders of Greece today but the forces around her, and the rest of the world. corruption is evil, and it is apparent with its consequence, insidious, murderous and cruel.

...indeed, it is too much to ask Greeks to be a People who as Humans lead, they have been an inspiration over so many Ages, or is it?

[supporttheunderdog]

He does not support the Turkish occupation. On the contrary he strongly opposes it. So does STUD. They just don't like Greece and the Greeks much. And they support strongly, for obvious reasons, the non Greekness of Greek Cypriots.

Well, as Greek, for a couple of interlopers if they don't like us is a good enough reason for me to be hostile. Seriously, doesn't that make them a couple of prejudicial bastards. Really, they don't like Greeks, so that's meant to be okay?

What gave you the idea that anyone here doesn't like the Greeks?

I have kept out of this thread but see my name has been mentioned. I loathe Golden dawn, not because they are Greek but because of what they really represent. Some of their policies seem fair and reasonble annd we all have a right to be concerned about illegal immigrants who I think should by and large should be sent back to their point of origin, but where Golden Dawn supporters and their ELAM counter part overstep the line is in the violence directed against some simply because they look foreign (who indeed may not be foreign, as in the case of a doctor beaten up in Nicosia, and if they are, may not be illegal, ) or eg newspaper sellers who disagree with their view. They are the sort of organisations that spawn the Brevik's of this world, also the Hitlers, the Goebbels, the Himmlers etc.

As an observation the Greeks I have spoken to on this topic of the Greekness of Cypriots said that thay think of Cypriots as Cyprot rather than Greek.Enosis has little meaning to them.

In fact I like most of the Greeks I have met - I work with several Greeks: those I dislike are because they as individuals are not nice people.

My objection is not to the Greeks but principally to the excessivley Kostas "Gus" Portokalos type attitude that some pro-Greek Cypriots demonstrate. We have for example the pro Greek topic on a Greek Student from Crete winning a microsoft prize (for which he desrves hearty congratulations) and Kimon's post on the 53rd International Mathematical Olympiad which had nothing at all to do with Cyprus but was shameless promotion of Greece. bearing in mind within the post there were refences to other European nations I do not think a question on where Cyprus came was invalid/off-yopic - nor was it anti-Greek.

I do not for example subscribe to the ugly theory that the Greeks of today are Ottoman Gypsy /Slavic remnants. Indeed the Southern Greeks in particular (and the Cretans) are principally descended from those who probably came out of the fertile crescent in several waves after LGM and who were probbaly later subject to a conquest event by the indo-europeans, who are thought to have brought the proto Greek language and some of what became the Greek Gods to The Aegean in about 2000 BC. However the Enosis lovers and Greek Wanabees overlook the very seperate and distinct history of Cyprus,as opposed to that of what is now Modern Greece, and where there is selective turning back of the clock to points in time that suit the megalist agendas of some and where, agin in the process Cyprus has been degraded with eg barbed refeneces to the Choriokotians.

I would in fact suggest that those who propmote Enosis are probbaly rather more Anachronistic than me, with their backwards looking views to the Eastern Roman Empire - the label Byzantine Empire probbaly did not come into use until after the conquest of Constantinople by the Turks in 1453 - or to their rose tinted view of Classical Greece which lasted about 500 years from say 800 AD to 300 BC.

Anyway Golden Dawn and Elam are are dangerous entities because of their facism. The food aid is imply a aploy to attract support.


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[Get Real!]

Underdoggy, have you noticed that your posts are getting longer and longer?

Pretty soon you’ll be posting pamphlets!

Think quality not quantity!

[supporttheunderdog]

Underdoggy, have you noticed that your posts are getting longer and longer?

Pretty soon you’ll be posting pamphlets!

Think quality not quantity!

I am trying to bore them away....

[Piratis]

I loathe Golden dawn, not because they are Greek but because of what they really represent.

I agree with this 100%. GD received about 7% of the votes and their views do not represent the vast majority of the Greek population. And that 7% are not all thugs in black shirts. Most of them are just desperate people who are struggling to survive and they were convinced by GD that the illegal immigrants are one of the major reasons for their misery.

However the Enosis lovers and Greek Wanabees overlook the very seperate and distinct history of Cyprus, as opposed to that of what is now Modern Greece, and where there is selective turning back of the clock to points in time that suit the megalist agendas of some and where, agin in the process Cyprus has been degraded with eg barbed refeneces to the Choriokotians.

This is where I disagree 100%. Every place has a distinct history. Paphos has a distinct history from Larnaca for example, no two places are exactly the same. Saying that Greek Cypriots are Greek doesn't take away anything that is distinct about Cyprus, just like saying that Paphians are Cypriot doesn't take away anything from the distinct history of Paphos. Similarly, saying that Cretans or Athenians are Greek doesn't take anything from the distinct histories of Crete and Athens.

We had the Choriokotians, in Crete they had the Minoans, in Cyclades they had the Cycladic civilization etc. Pre-historic settlements were the norm, not some strange exception that happened only in Cyprus.

In Cyprus the vast majority of the population have a Greek language and a Greek culture for 1000s of years, way more than the English in Britain or the Turks in Anatolia. Most importantly the majority of Cypriots identify themselves as Greek and if it was up to them Cyprus would be part of the very first Greek State.

Golden Dawn and Elam are dangerous, but not as dangerous as the Imperialist fascists who impose their will by force on weaker nations. Those imperialists believe that it is a "megalist agenda" for the Cypriot people to be free to democratically determine their own identity and the destiny of their own island, when their own country is composed of 4 different nations, when they keep under their rule islands which are 10s of thousands of kilometers away from their mainland and when they even claim as their own parts of Cyprus against the will of the native population.

[kimon07]

Back to the topic shall we????

Golden Dawn and Illegal immigration folks?

Greek neo-Nazi party calls for boycott to Turkish soap operas

Leader of the extreme right Golden Dawn party Mihaloliakos addresses parliamentarians during a session at the parliament in Athens. REUTERS photo
The leader of Greece’s far-right Golden Dawn party has called on the nation’s citizens to boycott Turkish soap operas while barring his MPs from watching them, daily Hürriyet reported today.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/greek- ... sCatID=351

Question: Anyone disagrees with him? Anyone agrees?