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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Sotos » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Men andrebese Sotiraki! :?

Be di alithkia gie mou! :)


I had a tertiary education, unlike you ;) And by the way ... it should be "Pe tin alithkia gie mou". If you want to write Cypriot dialect with Latin characters at least do it right :roll:

Can I borrow your Greek book on Cypriot to Latin conversions? :lol:

I guess they've covered that subject too!


For starters when a word in Greek is written with π with latin you should write it with p. You should use b only when in Greek it is μπ ... then again you probably don't know how to write in Greek ;)
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:48 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:We are ethnically Greek (the natives)

So (1) when did this mass conversion take place, (2) why did it take place given that such a bizarre thing has never happened to any other country in the world, (3) and what evidence do you have of it, (4) and finally what are you going to do about 100% Cypriot people like me who deny your shitty allegations?


No "conversion" necessary. I was born here among Greeks. Greek speakers going back several connected generations. With Greek practicing churches built several centuries ago. With Greek writing in records going back thousands of years.

- Agreed some are not Greek. You can feel a "conversion" to whatever you like since you are from abroad. But the majority are the natives who are Greek.

If there were no conversions then what happened to the Cypriots who were around from at least 8,000BC?

Did the earth open up and swallow them?

Explain yourself!
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:50 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Men andrebese Sotiraki! :?

Be di alithkia gie mou! :)


I had a tertiary education, unlike you ;) And by the way ... it should be "Pe tin alithkia gie mou". If you want to write Cypriot dialect with Latin characters at least do it right :roll:

Can I borrow your Greek book on Cypriot to Latin conversions? :lol:

I guess they've covered that subject too!


For starters when a word in Greek is written with π with latin you should write it with p. You should use b only when in Greek it is μπ ... then again you probably don't know how to write in Greek ;)

But it's CYPRIOT we are meant to be converting not Greek! :lol:

You are already lost in space Sotiraki... you sure about that tertiary education? :?
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Cap » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:52 pm

Case in Point:

Costa Ioannou, 100% Cypriot heritage

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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:54 pm

Point in case... some Omonia fan:

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What now Cap? :?
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby ZoC » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:55 pm

Cap wrote:Point in case.

Costa Ioannou, 100% Cypriot heritage

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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby Sotos » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:56 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Men andrebese Sotiraki! :?

Be di alithkia gie mou! :)


I had a tertiary education, unlike you ;) And by the way ... it should be "Pe tin alithkia gie mou". If you want to write Cypriot dialect with Latin characters at least do it right :roll:

Can I borrow your Greek book on Cypriot to Latin conversions? :lol:

I guess they've covered that subject too!


For starters when a word in Greek is written with π with latin you should write it with p. You should use b only when in Greek it is μπ ... then again you probably don't know how to write in Greek ;)

But it's CYPRIOT we are meant to be converting not Greek! :lol:

You are already lost in space Sotiraki... you sure about that tertiary education? :?


Cypriot is a Greek dialect.... did you even finish elementary school? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_Greek
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:56 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Friends, for those who still think that IQ is a measure of intelligence, here's a truism... Take a large enough sample and you can't get a much bigger sample than one of nation size and the average IQ of the large sample will be 100.

Honestly seen some rubbish refs posted on CF over the years and this one goes straight in to the Top 10 rubbish links.


Bill the tests are supposedly standardised so a given score will measure the absolute intelligence of a person . : it is then statistical tricks which are applied to convert the scores in to averages or centiles where d in theory a score of 100 should correspond to the mean median and mode of the intelligence of the group against which the tests were standardised.

here is something from a pro on the topiv

[quote]
Intelligence

Cognitive abilities or intelligence is better defined by Wechsler (1944) as the “capacity of the individual to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment”. It should not be confused with the attainment which a child does in fact achieve since laziness, illness, anxiety or a variety of other factors may be affecting the level of attainment. In general a psychologist is not concerned with measuring attainment as this is usually assessed by school tests and examinations by teachers comparing a child with his peers irrespective of potential. Intelligence consists of a general factor underpinning all purposeful thinking and behaviour together with certain specific factors. What intelligence tests measure is important; “the capacity of an individual to understand the world about them and their resourcefulness to cope with its challenges” – Wechsler 1975. Intelligence is measured in terms of Intelligence Quotient (I.Q.). The national average is 100 with 34% of the population having IQ’s between 85 and 100 and 34% of the population having IQ’s between 100 and 115. This is known as the “average” range. About 16% have IQ’s above 115 and about 3% above 130.

The Wechsler Scales were selected to measure general ability with subtests that vary in content. For example, some subtests require knowledge of words and comprehension of verbal relationships; others require working memory for recalling numbered sequences or reasoning with arithmetic or spatial stimuli. Wechsler (1975) noted that "... the attributes and factors of intelligence, like the elementary particles in physics, have at once collective and individual properties". Therefore, despite the individual demands of specific subtests, they form a cohesive whole that is expressed by the test's Full Scale score, which reflects the overall concept of general ability.

The WNV, published by The Psychological Corporation in 2006 is an individually administered, clinical instrument restricted in its use to qualified psychologists and is designed to measure the general cognitive ability of examinees aged 4 years 0 months through 21 years 11 months. The test was developed so that general ability could be measured using a multi-subtest, comprehensive format that eliminates or minimizes verbal content (e.g., Vocabulary). Pictorial directions were developed to communicate the demands of the subtests with little or no verbal instructions. The characteristics of the WNV, and the manner in which it is administered, makes the WNV a test of general ability that can be used with populations that are diverse in terms of language, educational, cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds, as well as certain conditions, such as language disabilities and hearing loss. These features make the WNV a test that is highly portable across cultur¬ally and linguistically diverse groups as well as national boundaries.

Other versions of the Wechsler Scales (WISC 1V etc) measure general ability with a combination of verbal and performance subtests; however, the WNV is designed to measure general ability with only non-verbal tasks. One advantage of using non-verbal tasks is that the need for receptive language skills is minimized. Another advantage is that the influence of expressive language and mathematic skills on the examinee's test performance is eliminated.

When reviewing scores, remember that no test is perfectly accurate. Any person might score slightly higher or lower if tested again on a different day.
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:We are ethnically Greek (the natives)

So (1) when did this mass conversion take place, (2) why did it take place given that such a bizarre thing has never happened to any other country in the world, (3) and what evidence do you have of it, (4) and finally what are you going to do about 100% Cypriot people like me who deny your shitty allegations?


No "conversion" necessary. I was born here among Greeks. Greek speakers going back several connected generations. With Greek practicing churches built several centuries ago. With Greek writing in records going back thousands of years.

- Agreed some are not Greek. You can feel a "conversion" to whatever you like since you are from abroad. But the majority are the natives who are Greek.

If there were no conversions then what happened to the Cypriots who were around from at least 8,000BC?

Did the earth open up and swallow them?

Explain yourself!


One day we might find out what happened to every single little tribe which inhabited every single corner of the globe. (Chances are those tribes were one original which split and inhabited most areas of this Med. region. Then traded and mixed over the years.) But for now, we know the longest surviving and most impacted culture on this island is that of the Greeks.
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Re: What's so great about Greece?

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:59 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Friends, for those who still think that IQ is a measure of intelligence, here's a truism... Take a large enough sample and you can't get a much bigger sample than one of nation size and the average IQ of the large sample will be 100.

Honestly seen some rubbish refs posted on CF over the years and this one goes straight in to the Top 10 rubbish links.


Bill the tests are supposedly standardised so a given score will measure the absolute intelligence of a person . : it is then statistical tricks which are applied to convert the scores in to averages or centiles where d in theory a score of 100 should correspond to the mean median and mode of the intelligence of the group against which the tests were standardised.

here is something from a pro on the topiv

Intelligence

Cognitive abilities or intelligence is better defined by Wechsler (1944) as the “capacity of the individual to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment”. It should not be confused with the attainment which a child does in fact achieve since laziness, illness, anxiety or a variety of other factors may be affecting the level of attainment. In general a psychologist is not concerned with measuring attainment as this is usually assessed by school tests and examinations by teachers comparing a child with his peers irrespective of potential. Intelligence consists of a general factor underpinning all purposeful thinking and behaviour together with certain specific factors. What intelligence tests measure is important; “the capacity of an individual to understand the world about them and their resourcefulness to cope with its challenges” – Wechsler 1975. Intelligence is measured in terms of Intelligence Quotient (I.Q.). The national average is 100 with 34% of the population having IQ’s between 85 and 100 and 34% of the population having IQ’s between 100 and 115. This is known as the “average” range. About 16% have IQ’s above 115 and about 3% above 130.

The Wechsler Scales were selected to measure general ability with subtests that vary in content. For example, some subtests require knowledge of words and comprehension of verbal relationships; others require working memory for recalling numbered sequences or reasoning with arithmetic or spatial stimuli. Wechsler (1975) noted that "... the attributes and factors of intelligence, like the elementary particles in physics, have at once collective and individual properties". Therefore, despite the individual demands of specific subtests, they form a cohesive whole that is expressed by the test's Full Scale score, which reflects the overall concept of general ability.

The WNV, published by The Psychological Corporation in 2006 is an individually administered, clinical instrument restricted in its use to qualified psychologists and is designed to measure the general cognitive ability of examinees aged 4 years 0 months through 21 years 11 months. The test was developed so that general ability could be measured using a multi-subtest, comprehensive format that eliminates or minimizes verbal content (e.g., Vocabulary). Pictorial directions were developed to communicate the demands of the subtests with little or no verbal instructions. The characteristics of the WNV, and the manner in which it is administered, makes the WNV a test of general ability that can be used with populations that are diverse in terms of language, educational, cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds, as well as certain conditions, such as language disabilities and hearing loss. These features make the WNV a test that is highly portable across cultur¬ally and linguistically diverse groups as well as national boundaries.

Other versions of the Wechsler Scales (WISC 1V etc) measure general ability with a combination of verbal and performance subtests; however, the WNV is designed to measure general ability with only non-verbal tasks. One advantage of using non-verbal tasks is that the need for receptive language skills is minimized. Another advantage is that the influence of expressive language and mathematic skills on the examinee's test performance is eliminated.

When reviewing scores, remember that no test is perfectly accurate. Any person might score slightly higher or lower if tested again on a different day.
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Thx for that STUD, acknowledged.
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