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[Maximus]

You are clearly ill informed about the powers involved in the area! Your knowledge of weapons also seems to be a little exaggerated! Paetriots are no good for close combat fights or border squermishes between armies. Both Syrian forces and the rebels have gone through greatlengths to prevent Turkey getting involved - a nation they can possibly do what Israel had not done in all these years i.e. enough fire and menpower to pulverize the whole Syrian nation to gravel within few days!

it does not make sense BigOZ, I am not claiming to be an expert on weaponry. where is the exaggeration?

On couple of occasions when a Syrian shell fell into the Turkish villages on the border, the response was immidiate bombardment of the source of fire (Syrian military bases) close to border, resulting in death and wounding of dozens of military personnel and destruction of weapons dumps. Syria did nothing in response because they have more sense than many who write in this forum. Just in case you have not noticed, the biggest supporter of Syrian civilians and the rebels along the border (most of whom are Kurds anyway) has been Turkey.

BigOZ, this does not mean that Turkey or the rebels she supports did not fire into turkish villages themselves in order to give Turkey an 'excuse' to fire back. Why would Syria want to provoke a war with Turkey, to create even further problems for herself? you say yourself above, Syria has more sense, what your saying here therefore does not make sense.

It reminds me of the time when Saddam attacked them and Kurds fled into Turkey in their hundreds of thousands seeking shelter. The scenario was repeated many times with Syria and Iraq where the Kurdish people were attacked. Not returning back to where they came from and staying in Turkey - breeding like mice, they added to the Kurdish population of Turkey and are the founders of today's terrorists who dare to claim a "Kurdistan" in South Eastern Turkey. A fantasy that will never be realised, reminiscent of the old Greek fantasy that Istanbul will be "Constantinopolis" one day.


It sounds familiar, the Turks also invaded Cyprus, committed atrocities, ethnically cleansed the northern third of the island, occupied it, colonized it, and now they claim it as theirs while they breed like mice and dilute the legitimate Turkish Cypriots to extinction. They both also play the victim card, a complete fabrication and a fantasy. This is consistent with Turkeys criminal track record and all the other problems Turkey has with her neighbours.

By the way, the patriots are "anti-missile" missiles, set up against any possible chemical or nuclear attacks by either Syrians or Iranians in the area. There is no telling what a loser of a mad leader can do as last minute revenge - should there be a war between Turkey and Syria, or Nato forces and Iran in the area. It does not take a genius to work out how such a conventional war would end...

I know what patriot missiles are, Turkey should not meddle in Syria's internal affairs by providing support, training and logistics to terrorists that are distabalising the country. without those patriots though, it seems that Turkey can not defend herself against a possible chemical attack for her efforts to distabalise Syria.

[bigOz]

I do agree with most od your poinmts although you are again misleading the issue om couple of occasions due to lack of information on your part.

Turkish guns are positioned close to radar positions that pinpoint the source of any artillary attack from the Syrian side. It was well documented in the Turkish News that the response was to bombard the artillary positions that originally fired the shots. Syria never denied it - albeit it was claimed to be in error becuse of the rebels proximity to the Turkish border. I guess just like the unarmed Turkish expedition jet that was downed "by error" because they thought it was hostile.

What you need to understand is, you cannnot shoot down aircraft or across the borders because you fear hostility from a nation you are not at war with! Such acts would be the cause for a war. Why do you think Turkish and Greek jet fighters never shoot at each other but settle for a "dog fight"? The same applies to warships in the Agean. Turkey responded after the 2nd or 3rd shell that fell into Turkish villages in as many days.

Another thing that shows the magnitude of Turkophobia by many GCs is why they blame others for their own wrongs? If GCs admitted to their mistakes and tried to co exist with the TCs when they were given the chance, Turkey would have had no chance of colonizing the TRNC. Thanks to their persistent "OHI" mentality, they got themselves in a right mess now as well as the TCs. By strongly supporting economic embargoes on the Turkish Cypriot producers (using EU) you have effectively killed off most of the production and forced the TCs become completely dependant on the mainland for almost everything - even Tourism! The TCs have left the island in their thousands displaced by the Turks from the mainland. Mainland international consortiums have built hotels, businesses etc. employing imported work force from Turkey in preference to TCs. YOU helped Turkey achieve all these and done her a favour. What is all the fuss about now.

Many moons ago I did write in one of my posts in this very forum - you are helping Turkey drive out the TCs. Do not be surprised if your next generation of talks will be with the settled mainlanders. That seems more a reality at this time - does it not? All you do is discredit the Annan plan that would have been the beginning of the end of the Turkish mainland colonisation - go on carry on fooling yourselves see what good it will do to GCs.

Furthermore, ethnic cleansing of Muslims and especially ethnic Turks had always been the priority of the Greek Orthodox Church whether in Russia, Greece, Bosnia or Cyprus - history is full of atrocities carried out by your kind selves so please save me the agoniy of such baseless claims! If Turkey really wanted to clean out the GCs they could have done it in 1974 when everyone else including mainland Greece, UK, USA, and the UN were nothing more than spectators. Turkey did not stop because someone told them to but they stopped on their own accord - please prove me wrong if you have any evidence to contrary.

[Maximus]

I do agree with most od your poinmts although you are again misleading the issue om couple of occasions due to lack of information on your part.
thanks

Turkish guns are positioned close to radar positions that pinpoint the source of any artillary attack from the Syrian side. It was well documented in the Turkish News that the response was to bombard the artillary positions that originally fired the shots. Syria never denied it - albeit it was claimed to be in error becuse of the rebels proximity to the Turkish border. I guess just like the unarmed Turkish expedition jet that was downed "by error" because they thought it was hostile.

What you need to understand is, you cannnot shoot down aircraft or across the borders because you fear hostility from a nation you are not at war with!
Come on BigOZ, it is well documented that Turkey violates the airspace of her neighbours, constantly, she does it with Greece, she does it with Cyprus, she does it with Syria...etc...Turkey has a track record.

Such acts would be the cause for a war.
Violating another country's airspace, particularly after Turkish officials bluster and make threats, with a military aircraft, makes you the suspect and the agressor.

Why do you think Turkish and Greek jet fighters never shoot at each other but settle for a "dog fight"?
All of them get intercepted for straying, why settle for a dogfight just dont go there. The Greeks are showing huge restraint by not shooting Turkeys aircrafts down. All of them get intercepted.

The same applies to warships in the Agean. Turkey responded after the 2nd or 3rd shell that fell into Turkish villages in as many days.
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Another thing that shows the magnitude of Turkophobia by many GCs is why they blame others for their own wrongs?
Where is your logic, why twist everything and involve GC's?

If GCs admitted to their mistakes and tried to co exist with the TCs when they were given the chance, Turkey would have had no chance of colonizing the TRNC. Thanks to their persistent "OHI" mentality, they got themselves in a right mess now as well as the TCs. By strongly supporting economic embargoes on the Turkish Cypriot producers (using EU) you have effectively killed off most of the production and forced the TCs become completely dependant on the mainland for almost everything - even Tourism! The TCs have left the island in their thousands displaced by the Turks from the mainland. Mainland international consortiums have built hotels, businesses etc. employing imported work force from Turkey in preference to TCs. YOU helped Turkey achieve all these and done her a favour. What is all the fuss about now.



Many moons ago I did write in one of my posts in this very forum - you are helping Turkey drive out the TCs. Do not be surprised if your next generation of talks will be with the settled mainlanders. That seems more a reality at this time - does it not? All you do is discredit the Annan plan that would have been the beginning of the end of the Turkish mainland colonisation - go on carry on fooling yourselves see what good it will do to GCs.

forget Annan plans and political equalities of the pentagon sides, these are unworkable things of the past, its all foreign to Cyprus.

Furthermore, ethnic cleansing of Muslims and especially ethnic Turks had always been the priority of the Greek Orthodox Church whether in Russia, Greece, Bosnia or Cyprus - history is full of atrocities carried out by your kind selves so please save me the agoniy of such baseless claims! If Turkey really wanted to clean out the GCs they could have done it in 1974 when everyone else including mainland Greece, UK, USA, and the UN were nothing more than spectators. Turkey did not stop because someone told them to but they stopped on their own accord - please prove me wrong if you have any evidence to contrary.

You lost me before we got here BigOZ, but I can show you many UN resolutions calling for turkey to withdraw from Cyprus and to respect her sovereign integrity?the occupation, the ideology, the cause is all false and illegal.

[yialousa1971]

[Cap]

One man's terrorist is another's comrade freedom fighter.

[yialousa1971]

Kurdish women in Syria create first female battalion



For the first time in Syria, 150 Kurdish women have set up a female-only battalion in the northern province of Aleppo, which has seen some of the heaviest fighting since the start of the Syrian uprising in early 2011.

The news comes from a statement by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights on Saturday. While women have been known to fight alongside men in both pro and anti-regime forces – as well as the Kurdish militia, it is the first time they have formed their own fighting unit. An amateur photograph has been circulating on the internet, showing rows of women in military fatigues during training.

The announcement comes a month after the government set up paramilitary units called the National Defense Forces, which have actively been seeking to recruit women of all ages. This is testimony to the steady increase of women’s numbers in armed units. They are also becoming very useful in assisting male fighters, as they arouse less suspicion when transporting supplies and weapons.

"Women are fighting on all the fronts now, though it's possible the Islamist rebel ranks have the fewest women taking part in them," says Abdel Rahman of the Observatory.

The Kurdish question

The city where the battalion originated is Afrin, which in late 2012, was the last scene of fighting between Kurdish units and Arab militias fighting the regime of President Bashar Assad. While a number of Syrian Kurds remain neutral, they also exist on both sides of the current Syrian split, getting invariably involved in the violence.

The Kurds also happen to be the second largest ethnic group in Syria, comprising three out of the 23 million of its total population. They have been discriminated against in Syria by several Arab regimes, often being denied citizenship, similar to their plight in other states in the region. Their eventual goal seems to be autonomy within a united Syria.
In January, at least 56 were killed in a week’s fighting in north-east Syria between anti-Assad rebels and the long-oppressed Kurdish minority, in which tanks and mortars had been used against the Kurds.

While the rebel-on-government violence was to the west and south, the Kurds used the opportunity to set up schools and cultural centers, as well as armed militias and police units. The rebels have been blaming them for seeking self-rule by using the civil war to their advantage.

And many Kurds do tread carefully, knowing that President Assad’s failure to crush the rebellion could spell doom for their own ethnic group as well. They fear that the rebels would not honor the autonomy of various regions – especially one that holds around 2.5 billion barrels of Syria’s crude oil reserves.

Living predominantly in the mountainous regions of the north, the Kurds are situated next to the Turkish border. Their political group, the Democratic Union Party (PYD) is closely allied to the marginalized Kurdish faction in Turkey – the PKK. President Assad, according to some, has chosen to seize the opportunity for friendship with the Kurds, many of whom never joined the uprising against him. This could also play into his hands in light of the Turkish government’s opposition to his regime.

However, the Syrian Jihadists have directed huge blame at the Kurds for not participating in the uprising. Clashes between rebels and Kurds have intensified as soon as government forces withdrew from Kurdish-held areas in the summer of 2012. Often very little incidents at checkpoints had started major firefights between the Kurds and the rebels.

This split is one among several ethnic fault lines that run parallel to the Syrian revolution of 2011. In its two years, it has grown into a fully-fledged civil war and took more than 70,000 lives, according to UN estimates. It has also made more than 650,000 flee their homes, while over a million are displaced inside Syria.

[yialousa1971]

It's back on!


Turkey planes bombs PKK bases
Turkish war jets bombed on Thursday the bases of Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), Firat news agency, the party’s mouthpiece said.

The bombings are continuing on PKK- held bases, despite the agreement between the two sides for silencing arms and the pullout of the militants from Turkey soil into northern Iraqi self- ruling of Kurdistan Region.

There are reports that the jets are flying over Omar and Sirnak regions.

Meanwhile the media information center of People’s Defense Forces (HPG)- the military branch of PKK- said Turkey planes hit Amara areas on Thursday, claiming the forces have responded the attacks by heavy weapons.


News Code: 4543 | Date: 2013/05/18 | Time: 12 : 39
http://www.kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullS ... tle=Turkey planes bombs PKK bases

[Maximus]

So we can forget about the peace process then? This is one of Erdogans 'wobbly' plates that seems to have fallen and smashed. Like I knew it would.

There is also deadlock in drafting the new constitution. Each of the four party's has a veto which is causing no unity or progress amongst them. Erdogan will cut in and open up his presidential system with no separation of powers Islamic dictatorship style model for debate. naturally, he will win regardless, even if Turks go to the polls in 2014. This, each party with a veto approach has been noted by one British EU parliamentarian, Mr Duff, as absurd and that it could never work. This will probably cause some infighting amongst the sides and possibly spill out onto the streets.

Then there is the war with Syria, God help the Syrian people, but it's starting to backfire on Erdogan because of his direct support for the radical Jihadist incursion. Erdogan has played right into the wests hands!! He has a big mouth and an intransigent, want it all without giving anything back or else attitude. Just another two-bit tyrant that will get his comeuppance.

Turkey has an explosive mix of problems on her hands. Kurdistan could very well be on the cards.

[Demonax]

PKK state at border

Turkey has been greatly disturbed by a recent statement from the Democratic Union Party (PYD) -- a political offshoot of the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Syria, which announced that it will declare autonomy in the country's north.

Such a development would mean Turkey being neighbors with the PKK, with which it is trying to make a settlement to end decades-long terrorism in the country. Most Turkish columnists on Friday allocated their columns to the likelihood of the establishment of an autonomous Kurdish state in Syria's north and how such a development will influence the course of the settlement process.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-32 ... order.html?

See also:

Syrian Kurdish group aims for independent local administration

Turkey Voices Concern Over Kurdish Victories in Syrian Civil War

German magazine divides Turkey's south as Kurdistan

[Maximus]

The PKK are getting fed up of Sultan Erdogans inability to get down to business and make peace with the Kurds. They are now issuing final warnings and accusing him of sabotaging the process.

“The prisons are full of Kurdish politicians. This is a fact putting the process in a tight spot. Everybody should know that the following week is very important. If the attitude of the Turkish state continues as it is now, the process will be blocked up. It’s not blocked now, but it’s on the way to being blocked,” Karayılan said on July 11.

Given Sultan Erdogans past and present performance, things will probably turn violent again.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-is ... sCatID=341