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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby kimon07 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:49 am

While the Turkish army is struggling to contain the PKK in North Kurdistan (South Eastern Turkey), the PKK launched an operation on the Aegean coast. Is the "Kurdish Spring" spreading west on the peak of the tourist season? This time the target was the head quarters of the Turkish amphibious force. The pattern of the attack is similar to attacks occurring in Kurdistan. Bomb or mine against passing military vehicles and then small arms fire against the passengers. The question is, how will the turkish military react? Quarantine the area and launch a moping operation like in North Kurdistan?
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Suspected Kurd militants attack military bus in Smyrna

Published: Thursday, 9 Aug 2012 | 3:24 AM ET

ISTANBUL (Reuters) -

Suspected Kurdish militants attacked a Turkish military bus on its way to a naval base in the western province of Izmir on Thursday, media reports said, and a police official said several people were wounded.

Some reports said one soldier was killed and four soldiers were wounded in the attack. The rear windows of the military vehicle were blown out and emergency services sealed off the scene on a country road, television pictures showed.
Dogan news agency said Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels had detonated explosives on the road before opening fire on the bus at around 8 am (0500 GMT) near Foca, a small resort town on the Aegean coast where there is a naval base. The soldiers returned fire, it said.

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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby kimon07 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:45 am

kimon07 wrote:
Suspected Kurd militants attack military bus in Smyrna

Published: Thursday, 9 Aug 2012 | 3:24 AM ET

ISTANBUL (Reuters) -

Suspected Kurdish militants attacked a Turkish military bus on its way to a naval base in the western province of Izmir on Thursday, media reports said, and a police official said several people were wounded........
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48583884


The turkish media confirmed the report and add that two ambushes were carried out resulting to exchange of gunfire and casualties, the second one against the reinforcements which rushed to the area from another base. Both attacks were staged in the vicinity of Fokaia.

A firefight erupted as soldiers responded to the attack and one Turkish soldier was killed in the clash. A second landmine was detonated on a road where reinforcements were dispatched from a nearby naval base.

Six soldiers with critical injuries were taken to Ege University Medical School Hospital.


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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby bigOz » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:59 am

Funny how the happy Greek quotes on how many Turkish soldiers died as a result of terrorist attacks! What he avoids is the information on how many Kurds died :D
For example, the recent attack where 6 Turkish soldiers were killed, ended up with the 350 or so Kurds running away without capturing the military post defended by only 120 soldiers! Guess what, in their haste, the Kurds left behind 14 corpses, delivered by the surrounding Kurdish villagers. At this rate, by the time they can finish off an army nearing million soldiers, there will not be any Kurdshite left behind! The official count for the dead Kurdish terrorist for last month was 150! :lol:

It is only recently the army has moved into the area in great strength, let us wait and see what will happen along the Iraqi and Syrian borders. Any excuse and they will run over Kurdish settlements where there is even a whisper about PKK! The military and the Turkish soldiers are not scared of the coward Kurds. When captured, Kurds sing like birds about the activities and location of their comrades... When the Turkish soldiers die - their fathers talk of how they are happy that their sons became a martyr by fighting the enemies of the state. Sooner the enemy realise this the better for them.
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:16 am

bigOz wrote:Funny how the happy Greek quotes on how many Turkish soldiers died as a result of terrorist attacks! What he avoids is the information on how many Kurds died :D
For example, the recent attack where 6 Turkish soldiers were killed, ended up with the 350 or so Kurds running away without capturing the military post defended by only 120 soldiers! Guess what, in their haste, the Kurds left behind 14 corpses, delivered by the surrounding Kurdish villagers. At this rate, by the time they can finish off an army nearing million soldiers, there will not be any Kurdshite left behind! The official count for the dead Kurdish terrorist for last month was 150! :lol:

It is only recently the army has moved into the area in great strength, let us wait and see what will happen along the Iraqi and Syrian borders. Any excuse and they will run over Kurdish settlements where there is even a whisper about PKK! The military and the Turkish soldiers are not scared of the coward Kurds. When captured, Kurds sing like birds about the activities and location of their comrades... When the Turkish soldiers die - their fathers talk of how they are happy that their sons became a martyr by fighting the enemies of the state. Sooner the enemy realise this the better for them.


BigOz, can you please explain to us, why is it that every time Turkey makes the claim that they have killed 50, 100, 150, 200+ PKK, and always usually after several Turkish soldiers have been killed by the PKK, that they actually never show the dead PKK bodies, which are always multiple times more than the number of killed Turkish soldiers by the PKK.

Question is;

Does Turkey really kill as many PKK as they claim to have done, or is it a made up claim on the high PKK killed numbers just for propaganda purpose for the Turkish Citizens. I mean, if Turkey is killing as many PKK as they claim, surely there would be far less of them after 30 years, but it seems that there are plenty of PKK still around to launch attacks against Turkey and kill Turkish Troops at will.

I was just wondering, that's all!
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:41 am

bigOz wrote:Funny how the happy Greek quotes on how many Turkish soldiers died as a result of terrorist attacks! What he avoids is the information on how many Kurds died :D


You are missing the point (not a surprise really).

The point is not how many people died from one side or the other. The point is that the Kurds are putting whole areas under their control and Turkey is forced to place these areas under martial law (so no one learns what is going on) in its effort to subdue the PKK. And instead, the PKK strikes in Fokaia (you know where that is right? Smyrna, the Aegean coast?). THAT IS the issue.
And another issue is what political analysts now admit. That the new Kurdistan is in the making and that the policies of Erdogan and Davutoglou has turned Turkey into a boxing sack both from within (Kurds, Alevies etc) and from outside (Iran-Irag-Syria-Kurds of Syria etc).
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:02 am

Fiery Erdogan Slams Assad, Iran

Saturday, August 11, 2012 Hellas Frappe
http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.co.uk/2012 ... -iran.html
By: Mohammad Noureddine

In one of his most vitriolic outbursts to date, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan sent a stark warning to Iran and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not to meddle in Turkish affairs. Mohammad Noureddine examines Turkish commentary on Ankara’s growing Kurdish headache.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has unleashed all kinds of condemnations of Syria and Iran. He questioned whether Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was really a Muslim, which will likely provoke Alawites inside Turkey and abroad. Erdogan also accused Iran of disloyalty, vowing to fight “the enemies of Turkey” until the end.

Following an iftar (Ramadan feast) held the day before yesterday [August 7], Erdogan sent very strong messages to Iran and “the enemies of Turkey.” He said that “the terrorist organization [The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)] is currently in the midst of a battle orchestrated by the enemies of Turkey. However, we will fight the battle against anti-Turkish circles with the highest severity and determination. We will not take a single step back.” Erdogan added that Turkey’s “enemies want to change our priorities.”

Erdogan strongly criticized Iran, saying: “We stood by Iran when no one was at its side. Is it consistent with our beliefs to defend a regime that has killed 25,000 people? The Iranian leadership must first take responsibility for its actions.”

He added: “250,000 Syrians have left the country [Syria]. Is this not the responsibility of Iran? Yet, before Iran takes responsibility for the situation in Syria, it must first hold itself accountable [for its own]. We always take responsibility for our actions.”

Erdogan criticized Assad, asking: “Can we even say that he is a Muslim?”

Erdogan denied interfering in Syria’s internal affairs. He launched an attack on Kemal Kilicdaroglu, leader of the opposition Republican People's Party, describing him as part of an anti-Turkey campaign. He said that “just like there is the Baath Party in Syria, there is the Republican People's Party in Turkey.”

Kilicdaroglu said in response that the current state of Turkey is depriving him of sleep.
“I am deeply saddened and concerned. I cannot sleep because of the situation in the country, while the prime minister is happy about it,” he said. “The prime minister is blind if he cannot see the dire situation facing the country. He is extremely detached from the current reality.”
In an article written in Hurriyet, Cengiz Candar slammed the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) for its Kurdish policy. He said that the countdown to the fall of Erdogan and the AKP has begun, and whether it will be a soft landing is yet to be seen.

Candar notes that “two conclusions can be made regarding what is happening. First and foremost, Turkish leadership in the region cannot be achieved through the government’s current policy toward the Kurds. Secondly, Turkey cannot hinder the emergence of a new reality in the region involving Kurds and Syrians, and its possible implications in Turkey."
He continues, “We have always stressed that a change in Turkey’s Kurdish policy, as well as its Middle Eastern policy, would positively affect the internal situation. I will say it frankly for the first time: the hopes pinned on the desire and ability of the government to achieve such a change are running out. The new reality will not change the fact that Turkey is facing a dilemma. It is trying to operate in a swamp from which it cannot emerge to build a regional leadership.” Candar adds that “the Kurdish problem cannot be solved through the current policy. On the contrary, the opposite could happen, meaning that the AKP’s authority may gradually disintegrate.”

Candar states that “Mount Erciyes in Turkey is 3,916 meters high. Today, it appears that Erdogan is still at the top of the mountain, but no longer at an altitude of 3,916 meters, he is now at 3,900 meters. His descent has begun and will continue until 2014 [when Erdogan runs for reelection]. But given its pace, which is unprecedented in the history of the Middle East, a smooth landing cannot be guaranteed.

“Turkish authorities have an obligation to change their policy adopted more than a year ago, and must stop using the PKK and terrorism as excuses for their actions. As long as the authorities insist on this policy, we will continue to criticize it,” Candar writes.
In Turkish daily Milliyet, Metin Munir criticized Turkey's sectarian policy toward Syria and the region.

“The government is seeking to gain points through its pro-Sunni and anti-Jewish policies. We have started to pay the price for that. Shortly after the start of the events in Syria, Assad became Turkey’s primary enemy,” he said. “Turkey, along with Qatar and Saudi Arabia, started to arm and fund Assad's opponents. Turkey did all it could to bring Assad down. It tried to persuade Washington to support intervention in Syria, as it had in Libya. It also maintained that the departure of Assad would be in the interest of Turkey. However, Turkey was not able to achieve this goal. In fact, Assad’s departure is not in the interest of Turkey, but to the contrary. Syria, just like Turkey, is a country with diverse sects and ethnicities. Its population consists of Arabs, Kurds, Christians, Alawites and Sunnis. Under the authoritarian regime of Assad and his father, the unity of the country was preserved.”

Munir added: “Today, however, Syria is being divided, which poses an extreme threat to Turkey. Assad has begun to use the PKK against Turkey. He has handed the north of the country to the Kurds, and furnished them with heavy weaponry. Fighters have come from the Qandil Mountains [in Iraq] to Syria. Assad has transformed the area that extends from the Iranian border to the Mediterranean Sea into a battlefield against Turkey.”
Munir continues, saying: “Turkey must provide humanitarian aid to the Syrian people, but it should maintain neutrality regarding the Syrian conflict. Although this would be in the interests of Turkey, it has not happened. We have earned the enmity of Assad for no specific reason. He is now hitting us in a painful spot, that is, the Kurdish question. Why should we help Assad’s enemies inflict harm upon us? Do not cry out against the bloodshed of the Syrian people, as we should first work to prevent the bloodshed of our own. As the English proverb goes, charity begins at home.”

For the first time, the Turkish Ministry of the Interior issued a statement on the clashes that have been taking place in the Semdinli and Hakkari regions since July 23. The statement included expressions such as “intensify military readiness,” “ensure full sovereignty” and “continue the fight until the area is cleansed of ​​terrorists."

According to Turkish newspaper Radikal, “these are indications that the PKK seeks to establish an [independent] zone and will not leave it, and that the violent clashes there will escalate in the coming days.”

References
http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.gr/2 ... CYgRqBFrvt
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politic ... paign=4228
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:47 am

The only good Kurd is the Yazidi Kurd the rest are turds that I find underneath my shoe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Dohuk_riots


he 2011 Dohuk riots refers to riots by Muslim Kurds on December 2, 2011 which were instigated by Friday prayers' sermons calling for Jihad against stores selling alcohol and massage parlours in Zakho in the Dohuk Governorate, Iraq. The riots soon developed into the looting and burning down of Assyrian and Yazidi-owned properties in other towns in the governorate, causing 4 million dollars in damage.[2]
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1 Background
2 Friday events
3 Targets
4 Aftermath
5 External links
6 References
[edit]Background

Christian personalities in the region have been wary of the changes of the Arab Spring, particularity the rise of radical Islam.[3] The riots started in Zakho, the northern most town of Iraq, located close to the Turkish border. The town has a Kurdish majority with a sizeable Assyrian and Yezidi minority.
[edit]Friday events

The riots were instigated by Friday sermons in the northern city of Zakho after Muslim clerics called for the destruction of stores that sold alcohol in the city on December 2, 2011.[3] Angry youth mobs chanting Allah Akhbar torched and destroyed Assyrian and Yezidi-owned businesses such as stores, hotels, casinos, massage parlours in the northern town of Zakho.[1][4] The violence spilled into nearby towns of Dohuk and Semel. Many Assyrian social clubs and homes were also attacked throughout the province. Angry pro-government supporters that belonged to the Kurdistan Democratic Party suspected Muslim Brotherhood-inspired Kurdistan Islamic Union (KIU) clerics to be behind the violence and attacked offices of the Islamic party in Dohuk and Erbil overnight. However in an official statement, the KIU denied any connections to the riots.[5]
[edit]Targets

Riots began in Zakho but quickly expanded to Semel, Dohuk and surrounding Assyrian villages.
December 2 Targets:
30 stores that sold alcohol, 4 hotels, 1 massage parlor, a number of hair salons, cafeterias and a Catholic diocese in Zakho.
The Assyrian Nohadra Social Club in Dohuk was attacked by a mob of 200 people, causing damage worth 50,000 dollars[6]
The Yezidi Health Club in Dohuk[7][8]
The Wan Restaurant in Semel[9]
A bar[10] and a tourist hotel[11] in Zawita that led to the arrest of 32 people.
December 3 Targets:
A group of 100 local Islamists attacked the Assyrian Saint Daniel Church and many Christian homes in Mansouriyah early in the morning. Locals claim young students were instigated by teachers.[12]
Homes in the village of Sheoz[3]
December 4 Targets
Three shops that sold alcohol were set on fire by a mob of 20 in the Assyrian village of Deralok[13]
A store that sold alcohol was shot with an automatic weapon in Dohuk[14]
December 5 Targets
Shops that sold alcohol were burned down by mobs in Koy Sanjaq[15]
Massage parlor burned in Sulaymaniyah[15]
Previously burned shops in Zakho were pasted with flyers threatening to burn down any shop that decides to reopen[16]
[edit]Aftermath

On December 3, the Kurdish intelligence agency Asaish arrested 20 KIU members of parliament and high officials within the party.[17] The President of Iraqi Kurdistan Masoud Barzani ordered the formation of a committee to investigate the event.[18] In an official press release, he stated: "I condemn both these unlawful acts. I call on the people of the Kurdistan Region to preserve our traditions of ethnic and religious co-existence. I have ordered the formation of a committee to look into these disturbances and bring to justice those responsible."[19]
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby kimon07 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:14 am

Armeno-Kurdish Relations: .........

20.8.2012
By Dr. Henry Astarjian - The Armenian Weekly
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Dr. Henry Astarjian, United Stated. Dr Astarjia was born in Kirkuk, Iraq, and attended the Khrimian Azgayin Varzharan. In 1958, he graduated from the Royal College of Medicine and went on to serve as an army medical officer in Iraqi Kurdistan, he is the author of The Struggle for Kirkuk.

August 20, 2012

Like a first date with a potential lover or a last meeting to settle divorce property with an ex, Armenian and Kurdish individuals are in a fest, both knowing full well that negative feelings hover over the canopy under which they are sipping champagne. Both sides, dealing from a position of weakness, manage to create a façade of joviality and happiness for the created opportunity. And both sides realize that in order to settle their differences, they have to accept difficult compromises, and yield serious overdue concessions to the other side. Such are Armeno-Kurdish relations today.

Individuals from both sides, meeting individually in various places and on various occasions, are set to rediscover each other. Recently boy-meets-girl and getting-to-know-you opportunities were created. I am mindful of the visit of Armenian dance troops to Dersim (Tunceli), Armenian Diasporan participations in Newroz celebrations, and in celebrations for renovation of a church in Diyarbekir.

As part of their public relations strategy, the Kurds are desperately trying to makeover their look by attempting to erase the image of savagery, which they perpetrated during the Armenian Genocide. Their first official act came from the Kurdish Parliament in Exile in Brussels through their communiqué #1, in which they apologized to the Armenian nation for all the ills they have committed against us.


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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby barouti » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:15 pm

As long as Turkey remains aligned to the West and especially continues to hosts US bases such as Incilik and that so-called anti-missle radar, then the US and Western media will cut them a lot of slack regarding the Kurds in the south-east. Of course if Erdogan veers away from the US camp then he risks both the Kurds and the Armenian genocide becoming issues that can turn Turkey into a pariah state overnight. Is he that stupid? Not for the moment. But his support butting in the Syrian conflict has unwittingly opened a pandora's box re the Syrian Kurds. And with that Assad checked him. This is going to be a headache for Turkey, no doubt about that. It's not like during 80's when the Turks could destroy 3000 Kurdish villages and push their inhabitants to the cities as well as totally ban their language and even deny their existence ie "Mountain Turks". The US and West can no longer pretend to turn a blind eye to Turkish oppression. So there is pressure for Turkey to show they're making progress in human rights (yeah I know lol) and at least for the now they've already accepted that they're going to have give concessions to appease their Kurds. And the irony is that the governing Turkish party actually relies on Kurdish votes. As if the Mountain Turks will vote for CHP or MHP. In the current democratic Turkey, where the Kemalists want to ban AKP, who are the Kurds going to vote for then? Of course the Kurdish and pro-PKK Peace and Democracy Party. They really can't win. They're going to have to accept the Kurds as an electorate force either as main block for the ruling AKP or the basis of an autonomous Kurdish movement.

So get the popcorn out because things are about to get interesting.
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Re: History In The Making - The Kurdish Spring Has Begun

Postby kimon07 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:10 am

PKK bombing kills 8, injures 66 in Turkey near Syrian borderISTANBUL
August/20/2012

A car laden with explosives was detonated by suspected members of outlawed Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) today in the eastern province of Gaziantep, near the Syrian border, killed at least eight people and 66 wounding, daily Hürriyet reported.
PKK militants remotely detonated the explosives at around 7.45 p.m. after parking the car at a bus stop near Karşıyaka Police Station in the province's Şehitkamil district, the reports said.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-bo ... sCatID=341

PKK kills two soldiers in Hakkari landmine attack
ISTANBUL
August/20/2012

Two specialist sergeants were killed and one soldier was wounded when a landmine exploded near their military vehicle in the eastern province of Hakkari today, daily Hürriyet has reported.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-ki ... sCatID=341
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