barouti wrote:supporttheunderdog wrote:Actually we are
all African by descent!
Being a Creationist (and no, I dont believe the world is only 5000 years old) have the Evolutionists actually explained how humanity began as nig-nogs and eventually spread and envolved into wops, honkeys and chinks? (Pls note, as a Creationist I do believe in a common Seed of all humanity but am just making argument for argument's sake...)
And also for the sake of satisfying GR (as he deems himself as being created seperaretly from the rest of the GC's), you might as well explain his own theory of evolution re the donkey and how he himself evolved from this indigenous Cypriot donkey.
The way my elder son explains it (and he is doing a doctorate in related fields) nature keeps on trying experiments with the inheritable characteristics of creatures, through genetic mutations, to find out what works best, and those with more successful features tend to out breed the rest. O\As mutations progressively occur so the changes will become more distinct, particularly where within a species there is interbreeding with close relatives: over time this can affect for example, skin tone, eye shape, hair type, or genetically influenced issues like sickle cell anemia, thalassemia , etc- no one says nature is kind.
One can reach the stage (even with humans) that the genetics may mutate so much that no individuals from distinct and probably long isolated groups may be able to produce viable young, but "Mules" and at that stage one has to consider if they are of the same species.
As far as Cyprus is concerned I understand the best genetic evidence tends to suggest that Cyprus was probably permanently settled say about 5000-7000 years ago or so by peoples who probably originated in the fertile crescent area and migrated west through Anatolia in probably two waves to populate most of the east Med, and at least on the matrilineal side, this has been a relatively stable population. Not so sure on the patrilineal side, but it is most likely that most Cypriots are mostly descended from these first permanent settlers and that is the basis on which one can argue there is an indigenous Cypriot population.
The theories of mass Mycenaean settlement and population replacement as expounded by the more extreme Hellenophiles are increasingly untenable: that is not to say that so called Mycenaeans ( a 19th century label) did not come to Cyprus - some probably came as traders from about 1400BC onwards, but latest theories suggest Hellenisation was a conquest event imposed by two waves of small but well organised warrior bands, who achieved a cultural elitist supremacy. They may not have been what is now termed Mycenaean (a 19th century label) as they did not bring Linear B with them. that or the warriors may have been illiterate and they relied upon priests or a clerical class to do the reading and writing for them, and they brought none along, so had to rely upon local scribes to generate a new script to reflect the spoken word. In that respect it would probably be easy to overestimate the influence of the Greek language relying on a limited number of scripts and carvings as they would probably reflects the language of the ruling class which were orally translated and distributed to a mostly illiterate general population: as happened in EG Turkey following the Turkish invasions the general population probably began to acquire the rulers language and culture as a means of social advancement, an effect probably encouraged by the Ptolemaic invaders in about 320BC who made Greek the official language, suggesting other languages were then spoken, and possibly widely so. if it was felt necessary to legislate.
I'm not an evolutionist! My belief in an almighty creator is unshakable!
